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welcome to the editing room my friends. feel free to walk about, look in drawers, gaze upon the wall. however, you must leave cell phones and/or cameras and any other listening/recording devices in the cloakroom. jeeves will be more than happy to assist you but he's always happier if you lose your ticket.
now, as we enter please watch out for the cat.
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please rest assured that another chapter from "planet y revisited" will be introduced in the coming weeks.
note: to whomever is manning the federally bungled initiative mars desk, that was the serial number to my mother's rossi, not good ole dad's. sorry about that purposeful slip.
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What I find ironic is how the Arabs stick together like a family, but none will let the Palestinians assimilate in their country. Refugee camps are what they offer.
I feel for the "average" Palestinian and Israelite,it is a sucky situation for all,though more shitty for the Palestinians I imagine.
I see no solution to the mess that all would agree with. The 2 State solution is the best, but the radical elements won't have it and can't be controlled.
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There will be no lasting peace between Israel and Palestine; primarily because Hamas will never quit. There has been feuding between those people for thousands of years. Arabic schools actually teach "Hate", and tell the kids that jews are less than human. Is it any wonder there is no peace in the region?
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Until islamics awaken to the fact that there are other people on this earth besides their selfish selves, then we will indeed have war after war with those who cannot seek peaceful means to an end.
"Thus it is demonstrated that to capture a man it is not sufficient to enslave his body it is necessary to enlist his reason; that to free a man it is not enough to strike the shackles from his limbs his mind must be liberated from bondage to his own ignorance. Physical conquest must ever fail, for, generating hatred and dissension, it spurs the mind to the avenging of an outraged body; but all men are bound whether willingly or unwillingly to obey that intellect in which they recognize qualities and virtues superior to their own."
Manly P. Hall.
Therefore, men and women of this age must stand and deliver to those who will or will not listen to the altruism and knowledge via logic and wisdom to their souls. We must stand as examples and shout to the world THINK!
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Lets not forget to mention that Israel turned Gaza into an open air prison.
quote:The barrier route as of July 2006[update]. Some previously approved portions have become uncertain due to Israeli Supreme Court decisions and are subject to re-design. As of April 2006[update], the length of the barrier as approved by the Israeli government is 703 kilometers (436 miles) long. Approximately 58.4% has been constructed, 8.96% is under construction, and construction has not yet begun on 33% of the barrier. Aerial view looking east from the Israeli side. The barrier between Abu Dis and Jerusalem, June 2004. The barrier between northern Samaria and the Gilboa.
The Israeli West-Bank barrier is a barrier being constructed by Israel consisting of a network of fences with vehicle-barrier trenches surrounded by an on average 60 meters wide exclusion area (90%) and up to 8 meters high concrete walls (10%).[1] It is located mainly within the West Bank, partly along the 1949 Armistice line, or "Green Line" between Israel and Jordan which now demarcates the West Bank. As of April 2006[update], the length of the barrier as approved by the Israeli government is 703 kilometers (436 miles) long. Approximately 58.04% has been constructed, 8.96% is under construction, and construction has not yet begun on 33% of the barrier.[2] The Jerusalem Post reported in July 2007 that the barrier may not be fully constructed until 2010, seven years after it was originally supposed to be completed.[3]
This is the lengths that the people in Gaza have gone to in order to survive:
quote:AS a convoy of blue-and-white United Nations trucks loaded with food waited last night for Israeli permission to enter Gaza, Jindiya Abu Amra and her 12-year-old daughter went scrounging for the wild grass their family now lives on.
We had one meal today - khobbeizeh, said Abu Amra, 43, showing the leaves of a plant that grows along the streets of Gaza. Every day, I wake up and start looking for wood and plastic to burn for fuel and I beg. When I find nothing, we eat this grass.
quote:Ruled by Islamic hard-liners from Hamas and locked in by Israel and Egypt, Gazans can't travel outside the strip, have few places to go for fun and are faced with a failing economy. Thus the boom in the popularity of tramadol, a painkiller known here by a common brand name, Tramal.
Growing numbers of Gazans have begun using the drug over the past year and a half to take the edge off life in the impoverished seaside strip, pharmacists and residents say.
Cardinal Martino put it into words the best I've heard yet:
quote:"Look at the conditions in Gaza: more and more, it resembles a big concentration camp."
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Or they could get an education (the resources are there for them) and get a good paying job (Palestinian professionals are employed by Israelis) and make themselves productive.
Instead they choose to be violent, engage in unsolvable and pointless grudges and elect radical Islamic terrorists to government.
They have a choice and have chosen poorly. I feel little pity for them. I am very sorry to say that.
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Here's some quotes you might find interesting:
quote:Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves...politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves...The country is theirs,because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country.
-David Ben Gurion, 1938
quote:There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.
-David Ben Gurion, 1978
quote:"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people...It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country.They didn't exist."
-Golda Meir, 1969
quote:We walked outside,Ben-Gurion accompanying us.Allon repeated his question,What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!
-Yitzhak Rabin, 1979
quote:"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-Yitzhak Shamir, 1988
quote:"If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...."
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if the "canadian" radicals had their land stolen from them, were housed in what is in effect a conmcentratrion camp, false flag attacks coupled with an overwhelming propaganda campaign, etc. and have systematically been targeted for extermination ... well, yes it would be a hard choice to decide what to do.
thanks for mixing apples and oranges epsi. meanwhile, that quip about palestinians getting a job and being productive either shows how ignorant you are of the situation, or belies the shill in you.
no matter, the world is a big place and this is going on all around us. tis a shame that so many taxpayer dollars are being used to further this and other fundamentally wrong agendas of conquest under the guise of "spreading democracy" and protecting israel, etc. sure, israel has a right to exist, but under what auspices? the extermination and brutality inflicted upon the indigenous folks not unlike some perverse form of neo-colonialosm?
our beloved government is spending it's future away on other people's problems while our country is quickly twirling in the toilet bowl. oh, i'm sorry, it's not our government anymore - more like another hijacked tool of zio banksters who have no loyalty to this country.
but again, not so late breaking news.
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Via Mars, you are highly adept at Informal Fallacy which is a means of distorting the truth for the purpose of propaganda. All sides do it but the faction you represent utilizes emotional blackmail and allows the killing of their own people to further their cause rather than protect them. They fire their rockets from within their own communities. Life has little meaning to the point of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Why do the factions not negotiate and end this hateful war of the ages? I for one am getting tired of the BS from both sides. The means of motivation and leveraging for power and control in both camps needs to end. Or, they will wipe each other from the face of the Earth.
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orion - i agree that both sides should cut it out. however, i have no dog in this fight except for my pet peeve of our dollars being used to the tune of billions every year for the express purpose of providing haven for criminals and the likelihood that the "victims" of time immemorial are now victimizing themselves. our country is crumbling before our very eyes. why do we continue to pour untold billions into the israel cofers when they steal from and spy on us anyway? sorry, but no informal fallacy but your own on that count.
what's to like about the so-called oppressed now being the oppressors? especially when the historical facts slaps one silly in the face of reason?
while you take the time to discuss and bring forth your views here, why not also discuss:
the lavon affair uss liberty king david hotel bombing
i'm not trying to indict israel here, more than trying to bring a semblance of balance to the table. which, i might add, is sorely lacking because so many are afraid of the zionists or are uninformed or have been conditioned by their bible or pastors or rabbis.
this world has too many problems than to be constantly bombarded with israel this, israel that all the time. i'm just sick of it. all the lies, lies, lies.
now, who wants coffee?
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The Torontonian rebels did have their land stolen from them as the city was founded by British Empire loyalists who could no longer live in the US after the rebellion against Britain.
The land these loyalists went to, was in turn taken from the original French occupiers in 1759.
The French meanwhile took this land from the Indians in the early 1600's
The various Indian tribes in turn had been fighting over this land for 10,000 years before that with the Iroquois Confederacy being the last Indian government to occupy the area.
The bottom line is that all these warring factions found a way to settle their difference through treaties, compromise and yes, war.
But the point is that these differences have been largely settled and violence has not occured in this area since 1812.
Gaza is no different than anywhere else. At some point you realize it is more important to get on with life rather than submitting yourself to fanatical religions and leaders that condemn you and your offspring to perpetual doom.
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Oh, oh I forgot.,, err made a mistake, whatever. Sorry so sorry, but if it walks like a duck talks like a duck and its Canadian. Well then its an easy mistake to make.
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I also miss Epsi, a lot.
Is there any chance that she might be allowed to return assuming she promises to behave?
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Epsi, like a bad penny, will probably return under a different guise. She was banned some time ago, but returned as Epsi. When she can be reasonable she is quite intelligent. But sooner or later, "The debil made er do it". She can resist anything but temptation.
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As a young woman, I can tell you I really appreciated Epsi's fearlessness and spirit. She did not suffer fools gladly and showed them no mercy! When she chose to be "rational" she was extremely insightful. She was also hilarious. I think nearly all her posts were actually tongue in cheek anyway. She was someone I would love to know.
Epsi, if you are reading this, I adore and miss you!
Brig, now that the site has settled and the troublemakers are long gone, why not invite her back?
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As a young woman, you have already stepped into it. I would try to become a woman of character and go beyond anything Epsi represented. Her narcissism held back her fine intellect. those small feedback loops she sent out needed some work found beyond the Pop-Culture and more in line with the great women of old. Girls today just seem to be carbon-copies of Hollywood, rather than the great beings their Grandmothers attained. We need strong women who can go beyond their support groupie, Oprah.
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Mr. von Koch,
It is actually you that has fallen victim to superficial Hollywood stereotypes.
Girls today simply don't watch much TV. We definately don't watch an overweight 50 something rich broad. Why would you think we would have anything in common with that woman?
The next time you are in a restaurant and you see some 20 something girls, pay close attention to what we are doing: we are talking yes, but we are texting, we are on our cell phones and at home we are on Facebook an IMing. We are all about interactive media communication.
One way TV based media interaction is for old people. Why would we bother with media content that we cannot change and alter and control to our taste? This is why modern media is dead and interactive web based media is where today's youth are at.
As for conservative or liberal, we don't care. We are all about having the freedom to control our media, control our hours of work , control our vocations and having maximum choice in our purchasing decisions. We hate being told what to do. Not only by media but also by people like you that do not understand us.
I think if you looked at us a little more carefully you would see that by taking maximum control and choice over our work and what we consume, we are also taking maximum personal freedom as well.
We are a generation that is freer than you. We exercise this freedom. And we do not accept you or anyone else telling us how to live and how to enjoy our freedom
Perhaps, dear Sir, it is you that is the Fascist.
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Sorry Kiddo, I have taught young girls for some 22 years and know them well. I know whereof they think and react. Your retort is typical. I have nothing but daughters and have nieces and a grand daughter. Not only that, but I have access to the latest demographic and psychographic information due to the fact that I have a marketing firm also. But, it is ok I am used to such retorts by the female type. Get real. Look at yourself...you are never where you think your are.
No, I am just a father who has his daughter's best interests at heart. But, I do know a lot of female fascists who just have not gotten serious about their own behavior.
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Dear Mr. von Koch,
The girls you taught, you taught long ago. The daughters you raised, were raised long ago, though I am sure you were a good father and care deeply about their future.
But girls today (and probably boys too) were raised in a different age of information presentation, interpretation and application. Our brains our wired differently. We learn differently. We interact as easily with girlfriends in Mumbai as we do in Miami or Melbourne. We all speak English and we all have the same worries and tastes and cherish the same things. Now more tha ever, we are a part of a very small world.
Nobody controls the information now and everybody controls the information. I control the information. Schools think they control the information but really schools are becoming more irrelevant to learning. I still sit in lectures with my laptop and Google subject matter the prof is talking about and already know it is 10 years irrelevant.
Basically, what I am saying is that we are part of a new world. We were raised in it. It is second nature to us. To you it is foreign and that makes you afraid of us and hostile towards us. You try to sterotype us as Liberals (which I find absolutely hilarious) but nothing is further from the truth.
Do not condemn us Mr. von Koch. But rather see what you might learn from us.
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I only recently stopped teaching and many of my former students still remain in contact with me after only a few years. I know whereof I speak due to the fact that I am a researcher of psychological data. My wife is a Psychologist and I beg to differ, I do have good data. Perhaps you speak for folks who really do not know where they are from day to day. The Mall is their only concern. Nothing is foreign to me since I have existed for eons. I certainly do not fear females but I do worry about some who are somewhat bipolar and girls have that problem much more than most persons.
Take care not to condemn those who may know more than you know.
By the by, I invented what is now coming out from the Kaplan University some 30 years ago. I worked for a number of research institutes developing alternative learning patterns. Take care, you just may have found the fountainhead.
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Orion, you are a funny old man!
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Manutius, you are a potential naive youth as I have much experience being such some thousands of times.
Bringing CyberArts to Education
Learning: Granting a Deeper Context to Public Education - The Gestalt Paradigm
"In order to learn, informational data must be presented to a sensually endowed entity for stimulation of a preexisting receiver. One must fire up his afterburners. Interest should then be established that provides the perceptive system a contrast against background and foreground information stored in its instinctual memory. This contrast will cause the focusing of resources upon the interesting data. If the data is sufficiently intriguing to the receptors of information and linkage between existing onboard information occurs, then a matrix of analysis can begin to be established where new informational elements can be extrapolated. If there is enough data to establish creative memory-mapping or the development of "what-if" conceptualization occurs, then the entity can establish an imagination-beachhead and begin to build a new inner universe which leads to understanding the outer universe."
Constant stimulation during wakeful periods, allows the entity to grow mentally in an exponential holo-gestalt fashion. This process must be reinforced both internally and externally during a timely period, from an infinite number of sources. Each source can map upon the holographic memory-matrix in an increasingly complex fashion and in a variety of content/context related configurations. If data does not become too repetitive, the entity may retain a kind of verve for attaining and manufacturing new data. However, if data is presented in a format that is increasingly less-exciting than previous learning experiences, the information-float that produced a sort of learning frenzy, begins to deflate and the entity becomes playful, preoccupied or agitated thus signaling that it needs stimulation or it will suffer a learning shutdown. Boredom is born -- and if the entity perceives it the duty of outside sources to provide it constant adulation, then it pouts and becomes an addicted victim of society's makeup. Selfishness and blame become part of its being in that constant attention from outside sources is expected to keep it on a learning high.
To go beyond this basic process of learning, a human must not hang-up on the pains of self-love to the extent that higher ordered processes are not possible. "Deep knowledge comes to the animated mind." The animated one that is stimulated by ever increasing complexity of a holistic variety built upon the understanding of the Otherworld outside of the self expands. Empowerment of the human is gained when it becomes aware that all outside information from the Otherworld makes the being what he/she is about. We are what we learn. For us to become more we must learn more -- learning more creates the challenge followed by a thirsty response and a new challenge. Mental growth then becomes fractally-geometric or holo-gestalt (universal holographic-like mind processes building one through the many; Scientific American 2003).
During childhood, we are initially on a pathway that will take us to higher ordered knowledge because we are learning our way at our own pace. All things relate. Then little by little our primary-input-parent could begin to tear us away from the natural course of learning and put us on a linear pathway toward systematic, step-by-step processes of input decipherment. Because of our first four years of wrong-oriented indoctrination by a selfishly inclined adult, we could follow in their footsteps and become just like them. Today, our schools continue this linear process after some of our parents initially prepare us for the world of mediocrity.
Humans come into this world from the holomovement of a generative order that science is only now beginning to see. Its foundations originate from a universe of cognitive processes that know and are reflected (manifested) into our being. As we begin to perceive the miniscule level from where we issue forth, we become more amazed at the immensity of understanding the mystery from which we are crystallized into being. This world of the unknown dwells within and outside of the dreamscape of our own imagination for our own creative needs. Exploration of this point-of-departure for creative expression is a portion that has been, for the most part, withheld from our learning patterns during public education. In our past, great philosophers and artisans came from the dreamscape where an understanding of responsibility to the Otherworld produced selfless humans. Love was at the core of reinforcement for existence.
Learning of our existence has been replaced with the evolutional (school of:) misunderstanding that has no capacity for love, or for a universe that is alive. We are given a linear system that values our contributions as insignificant. If man is a mere ape, then life is a mere accident according to the evolutionist's criteria. Higher ordered knowledge gained on a deeper more gestalt level shows this is not true by itself. There is much more to this powerful existence. If our children were to learn of selfless love and holistic perception, our society would reflect the morality we need to make the jump to a more advanced civilization. We must begin a deeper investigation of the philosophies of the past intertwined with the discoveries on the frontiers of Science (Physics).
More precisely, we must learn from our own invention...high technology. At present, we are looking at a dawning singularity of technology being built by the industry of human imagination. CyberArts concepts are rising in the business world that will give us an opportunity to create a Mirror World where we can simulate existence. Here in this Mirror World, we can slow down the learning experience and practice each and every human endeavor over and over at our own pace. The Grid is coming to give us this great tool. This network will be beyond the Internet and the next generation Internet. The Grid will give us a new wave of learning that each individual will be able to amplify upon.
The implications of a "constancy such as the GRID," in the realm of information communications is far reaching and awe inspiring, when one contemplates the reality of current technological advances contrasted against the future's anticipated speed and need factors. Our world will soon be "ultra-linked" to such a vast degree that the creation of information (products and services) will be almost instantaneous on every level and happen on a constant basis. Nations are already linked to nations on many interconnecting levels...governments to governments, businesses to businesses, people to people and, someday in the far future...a universe to a super-universe - what some call Mirror Worlds.
Through the amplification of information, humankind finally has the opportunity to dissolve the lines of nationality, racism, misinformation, propaganda, and misunderstanding. We can become a world community. Because of this expanded networking of info, all intelligence on Earth could soon know when one segment is LEVERAGING (processes of power and control) at the other's expense. Perhaps mans next great step will be to come to grips with those who overstep the bounds of lusting for empires and conquest. A deeper knowing is spreading across all dimensions, and its geometric growth affects the developmental nuances of everything and everybody. The world is now fully engulfed in the "proto-info-politics" of the human intellectual utility (our knowledge reservoir). What will this saturation of necessary communicative "noise" bring to us?
Rapid informational constancy is the catalyst to unbridled change. Nations that are not onboard the turbo-technological trends that are electrifying the hearts of industry and the minds of businesspersons may find themselves close to catastrophe through revolt. When the people of other nations observe the quality-of-life experiences for the materially and information rich populations, the desire to move quickly toward the enriched lifestyles will become overpowering. A world amplified through access to potency is indeed a very volatile place to be if one important aspect is ignored...equality. Equality of access to perceived power must be maintained in balance no matter what the complexity. Unless equality is kept, dislocation and rebellion will polarize and explode to tear down a civilization.
Earth will soon begin approaching the 6.8 billion-population mark set to exist in the first decade of 2000 -2010. What will the impact of the variables of socioeconomics, technology, overpopulation and other issues be on our children and grandchildren? The mixture and results will be more than chicken soup. It will be turbulence personified unless we seek to prepare our collective minds for the challenge. A super-charged educational experience is the only answer to survival in tomorrow's agglomeration. Without an exacting, constantly improving system-of-learning, (a system that takes into consideration the second by second change factors affecting our lives) the polarization of society will certainly occur. Constantly updated Informational-education will be the common bond that allows a hyper-civilization to flow uninterrupted toward higher-ordered levels.
Presently, the institution of education seems to be the most important segment of American and Western society that is not dynamically in sync with the projected future of our expanding civilization. Educational identity is rapidly being pulled and mashed out of shape...driven from any real-world relevance and cohesion by a political and administrative preoccupation with outdated methods and antique systems. They (educators and their patrons) pile old "taxing" solutions on overburdened structures. Because the business sector is looking for an edge over foreign economic creativity, the incongruity of the above must be aliened through innovation and vision. Unless our system of teaching and learning changes drastically, It is possible that education will at some point be rendered totally useless or obsolete by the forces of rampaging change perpetrated by breakthroughs or sudden chaos that is punctuated by overnight developments not yet perceived.
In order to survive, educators must quickly react to the trends and conditions of the info-structure (condition of info to life) that is currently wrapping its tentacles about the ancient linearity that permeates the educational system's "old bones," and install a new animated hyper-communications curriculum built on leading-edge/real-time concepts of creativity and technological power. A relevant system of learning will be the only hope for those who believe in equal access and democracy...anything else will continue to breed elitism. Our public schools should change and add supercharged interactive communications media or CyberArts Courseware to amplify and expedite curriculum. This info-media and its technological potential will become the common thread that knits our world together in its constancy.
So, because of informational constancy, the Earth awaits a new breed of humankind...one that is fully awakened to the truth and potential of this new dynamic condition. That truth is tied up in the positive and/or negative aspects of communication events and the repercussions of electromagnetic broadcasting. This informational distribution will be on a scale few of us could imagine today, but all of us, of necessity, will participate in its' world tomorrow. It will become known as the GRID.
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I hope you understand that I do care about learning...or would you like me to dump all the files I have developed over a 45 year period.
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I am sorry dear Mr. von Koch, I have a PhD but I have no idea what you are talking about in your previous post.
If this is reflective of your 45 years of "research" then I would say if it gives you pleasure and satisfaction then that is what is most important. But with the greatest respect, I highly doubt that this is of much use to anyone else.
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Like they always say, there is no accounting for taste. I was an administrator working with hundreds of University Professors on various issues as given to me by the president of the university (a nuclear Physicist) . So I guess it is like they say, "They will come back to haunt us." Good luck in your career.
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