Shambhala (Tib. bde 'byung) is a Sanskrit term meaning "place of peace/tranquility/happiness". Shakyamuni Buddha is said to have taught the Kalachakra tantra on request of King Suchandra of Shambhala; the teachings are also said to be preserved there. Shambhala is believed to be a society where all the inhabitants are enlightened, actually a Buddhist "Pure Land", centered by a capital city called Kalapa. An alternative view associates Shambhala with the real empire of Sriwijaya where Buddhist master Atisha studied under Dharmakirti from whom he received the Kalachakra initiation.
Shambhala is ruled over by a line of Kulika Kings (Tib. Rigden), a monarch who upholds the integrity of the Kalachakra tantra. Some scholars believe this figure developed out of the myth of the Hindu conqueror Kalki, a similar personage [4]. However, the dating of Hindu texts come into question, as Buddha is also mentioned in many of those texts.[citation needed] The myth of Shambala and its location is also more developed in Buddhism. The Kalachakra prophesizes that when the world declines into war and greed, and all is lost, the twenty-fifth Kulika king will emerge from Shambhala with a huge army to vanquish "Dark Forces" and usher in a worldwide Golden Age. Using calculations from the Kalachakra Tantra, scholars such as Alex Berzin (see his website) put this date at 2424 AD. The Hindu Kalki Purana suggests this 25th Kulika King will be Kalki, an avatar of Lord Vishnu.
As with many concepts in the Kalachakra Tantra, the idea of Shambhala is said to have an "outer," "inner,' and "alternative" meaning. The outer meaning understands Shambhala to exist as a physical place, although only individuals with the appropriate karma can reach it and experience it as such. As His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama noted during the 1985 Kalachakra initiation in Bodhgaya, Shambhala is not an ordinary country: "Although those with special affiliation may actually be able to go there through their karmic connection, nevertheless it is not a physical place that we can actually find. We can only say that it is a pure land, a pure land in the human realm. And unless one has the merit and the actual karmic association, one cannot actually arrive there."
There are various ideas about where this society is located, but it is often placed in central Asia, north or west of Tibet. The inner and alternative meanings refer to more subtle understandings of what Shambhala represents in terms of one's own body and mind (inner), and the meditation practice (alternative). These two types of symbolic explanations are generally passed on orally from teacher to student.
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Wasn't Shambala supposedly somewhere in the country of India? That should, but not necessarily will, preclude it being Atlantis.
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Interesting information Julia. I'd have to acknowledge that there are some intriguing similarities between Shambhala and Atlantis. It has been increasingly suggested that India may in fact be the cradle of civilization and that the roots of such legends may have a Hindu origin, although the exact location of Shambhala is also considered a mystery.
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Dear Wisteria and Hossam: I really dont know anything about Shambala exept the things I read on line.. but,in Indonesia and cambodia might be a big civilization before all of the Asian civilizations(Like late professor Santos was telling(www.atlan.org) But, this picture looks like somehow similar(instead of the Rings there are squares) may be it is connected with Atlantis story.. Dear Hossam: How did you know it is a lunar society??
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1. Atlantis: form feminine derived from the masculine Greek name Atlantos, that are an adjectival form of the Greek name Atlas, “who to support, who to bear, who to endure”.
2. Atlantikos: form (masc nom sg) derived from same Atlantis name, like name of the "Outer Sea", or "Pelagus", that begins in same Hercules's Strait (Gibraltar).
3. Atlantis Nêsos: “island/peninsula/delta", or "Insular Land”, which according to Plato (and ALL! authors of the antiquity that spoke of Atlantis) was, exactly, “before the mouth” (pro tou stomatos) of the Pillars of Hercules (Gibraltar), and whom had a province, or part, called Gadeira (Cadiz), next to the Pillars of Hercules.
Conclusion: Definitively Atlantis always have been in the sea of same Atlantis name (as Herodotus says), or Atlantika; whereas Indonseia always has been in the Indian Ocean, in the opposed end, never in the Atlantic.
It is always good for remembering something that is so elementary, and simple, to understand where one really was Atlantis, since, apparently, there is persons who continue forgetting these so precise details, and exact, about the geographic location of the Atlantis Nêsos.
You can search on the "moon phases" under image, you will see the eight phases of the moon.
Mr. Montexano,
Julia said: "it looks like Atlantis," she did not say "that was Atlantis, which means different thing. But, any way, they were developed and have a system of writing. Till this moment we did not see the system of writing of those who were living close to the Egyptian pillars on the atlantic ocean.
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You can search on the "moon phases" under image, you will see the eight phases of the moon.
Mr. Montexano,
Julia said: "it looks like Atlantis," she did not say "that was Atlantis, which means different thing. But, any way, they were developed and have a system of writing. Till this moment we did not see the system of writing of those who were living close to the Egyptian pillars on the atlantic ocean.
Dear Aboulfotouh:
Thanks, but I do not need any interpreter between Julia and me. I know perfectly what Julia has wanted to say, or to insinuate, I have been long time in debates with her, and know perfectly which are their objectives, and what she queire to say exactly.
With respect to the subject of the writings, once again you demonstrate that aout does not have sufficient knowledge the Old History of Iberia or the West of Europe. You can be a great connoisseur of histroias Arab of Egypt, but with respect to the Hsitoria of the West of Europe, and in special of Iberia, it seems that she has not studied much.
Old the Tartessians had a system of writing, that according to Strabo, was oldest of Europe, with more than 8000 years of antiquity (BP). Nor you, nor I (neither nobody), can know if this system of so archaic writing of the Tartessians were same which they used the Atlanteans, that without a doubt some (if the History that narrates Plato is true, as I believe that it is great part) lived in Iberia, because the Atlantis Nêsos was a “island/peninsula/delta, or “Insular Land”, that was divided by Poseidôn in ten parts, or provinces, one for each king, and one of those ten parts, or provinces, was Gadeira, which was next to the Pillars of Hercules, and this is an exact geographic description, then Gadeira is one part, or province, that always it has been next to the Pillars of Hercules (Gibraltar), and in Iberia Nêsos.
Then, although nobody wants to accept that Iberia Nêsos is same Atlantis Nêsos, at least, nobody can deny that Iberia is one part, or rest, important of old the Atlantis Nêsos, because the only Gadeira that has always existed (according to demonstrates all well-known texts old), next to Pillars of Hercules, and next to the Atlantic, it is the Gadeira of Iberia.
Conclusion: if Gadeira were one of the ten parts, or provinces, in which it was divided the Atlantis Nêsos, then, or we know that Gadeira, that is, Iberia, was part, or important portion of Atlantis, and this are unquestionable! …
Then, if Gadeira (that is, Iberia), were part of Atlantis, and in Tartessos, that is the region of southwest of Iberia where is the province, or part, of Gadeira, had a writing with an antiquity of about 8000 years ago - and that still nobody has been able to decipher, lamentably -, then nobody can deny the possibility that this so old writing that mentions Strabo, is not same writing that used the Atlanteans. In fact, the writings of Iberia, according to Strabo, in addition to being oldest of Europe, would be older even than the found ones in all Indonesia.
As can see, you have used an argument that is a deceit, but that in any case is comprehensible, because simply you did not know these facts…
In addition, in Iberia the archaeologists have found inscriptions with more than 6000 years of antiquity in contexts of the Neolithic, and others could even be older, because they have been found in Caverns within the cave painting context of the Palaeolithic. And these inscriptions, written on rocks or decorated bones, are exactly equal that the used ones in the Tartessian writing used between centuries VIII-IV BC.
You can see as the prestigious Norwegian Institute of Palaeography and Historical Philology (PHI) recognizes at least one of these inscriptions.
"...The National Library of Norway and the Norwegian Institute of Palaeography and Historical Philology (PHI), assigned to the Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters and to the University of Oslo, Norway, have decided to consider the hypothesis of Georgeos Díaz-Montexano, a Cuban investigator of Spanish origin[9] on an epigraphical interpretation of one of the most ancient inscriptions of the world10, 11 atal-tarte (atlas/atlantis-tartessos?)12..." (Source: Location Hypotheses of Atlantis)
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Georgeos: I did not mean this was Atlantis ..But ,may be the legend of Lemuria or Mu is coming from old indo-china..because there are many big and antic buildings are there(Like Angkor Wat), I was in the Late professor Santos` forum(which was closed after he passed away) he just combined the Atlantis story and Lemuria story .even if there were seperate stories..but this picture may be taken from the Atlantis legend(There are lots of stories went to east from west or from east to west)..This picture could be the lemuria or Mu legend but the shpe of the picture reminds Atlantis..lots of legends go different parts of the world although they are from same origin..
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Can you show us some pictures that compare between the two types of writings; taking into consideration that writings on bones was made by very wild societies. And during the 5000 years, did they write only on this piece of bone?
quote:Originally posted by julia: Georgeos: I did not mean this was Atlantis ..But ,may be the legend of Lemuria or Mu is coming from old indo-china..because there are many big and antic buildings are there(Like Angkor Wat), I was in the Late professor Santos` forum(which was closed after he passed away) he just combined the Atlantis story and Lemuria story .even if there were seperate stories..but this picture may be taken from the Atlantis legend(There are lots of stories went to east from west or from east to west)..This picture could be the lemuria or Mu legend but the shpe of the picture reminds Atlantis..lots of legends go different parts of the world although they are from same origin..
Yes, is possible, but unfortunately, is no scientifical proofs which they demonstrate to nothing of, that is, is no scientifical proofs that demonstrates that the History of Atlantis has traveled from the West towards the East, nor from the East towards the West. They are not than mere more especulacioes unfounded scientist some. And it always comes well to remember exact binding where one was Atlantis, according to himself indicates Plato, that is, the original author, the primary source of History of Atlantis, and to which we must all the presents, that we are today discussing about Atlantis, and trying to look for Atlantis…
If Plato says exactly where he was located Atlantis, because you (and all the others) you insist so much on trying to change of position the location of Atlantis that offers Plato (and ALL! the authors of the antiquity who spoke of Atlantis)...
Why always you try to place Atlantis in almost all the corners of the Planet? …
Why you are not the sufficiently sincere, and you recognize, here, publicly, why that reason, truely scientist, you do not want to accept the only location that offers Plato de Atlantis, and are always tried to turn aside the attention towards other points of the planet, the majority very even moved away of the only point that offers Plato?
By all means, that these questions also are valid for all those persons that they act just as Julia…
quote:Originally posted by Hossam Aboulfotouh: Dear Montexano,
Can you show us some pictures that compare between the two types of writings; taking into consideration that writings on bones was made by very wild societies. And during the 5000 years, did they write only on this piece of bone?
In the appointment links are several, and one of them is a table comparative of the signs of the writing that still used the Tartessians around centuries VIII-IV BC. Its final consideration, about if they only wrote in bone is an erroneous assumption hers, because they have not only appeared similar inscriptions in bone, I already said that also they have appeared recorded on rocks (apparently you never read well my messages), in caverns of the Paleolithic, and the Neolithic, and also in Megalyths of the Chalcolithical Age, and although the samples they are isolated, at the moment they are sufficient to demonstrate that from the Palaeolithical times is had been using, during all Ages (Palaeolithic, Neolithic, Chacolithic, Bronze, and Iron), until it arrived at the Tartessians, and this agrees with the affirmation of Strabo of which in old Iberia conserved laws written in verses, treaties of grammar, and history with more than 6000 years of antiquity (before Strabo), that is, more ago than 8000 years…
A explanation, the finding of that bone were made by other scientists in the past century XX. My merit (that has been recognized internationally) has been only the deciphering of the phonetic values of the signs, that is, its identification and deciphering through the old Ibero-Tartessians writings.
I make this explanation, so that nobody is going to think that the finding could be a falsification done by my, as some stupid one (and I do not mention the name) has already said before, because not even of Palaeography read correctly the news of the Norwegian Institute and Historical Philology (PHI), where well is explained who the finding is previous even to my birth. By all means, that I could supposedly have falsified that bone in my previous incarnation… as also person suggested another one, speaking playfully…
Of course, are really pathetic to see until where they are able to arrive my detractors, in their eagerness want to always reduce to the minimum expression of the useless thing, or the false thing, to anyone of my personal profits, or recognitions to my investigations…
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Julia: Mu perhaps. Lemuria never. Lemuria was a turn of the century construction by scientists trying to explain two widely seperated groups of lemurs (proto-monkeys). The construct has been discredited by all but fantasy writers. I'm sure there are many lost civilizations of which we, at present, know nothing. Atlantis was not the only lost civilization. Just the only one carried forward with any conviction.
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BTW, those of you who are so dead certain that Lemuria was ever a legitimate civilization please investigate into the origins of the story. No it is not mentioned in the ancient writings of India and if any source says it was ask for the book, page number, author and approximate year. Nor did the ancient chinese mention it. Didn't come from the American indian either. Check it out for yourself. You will need something a tad more legitimate than Wikipedia.
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I find it interesting how our Seychelles Atlanteans, or our Southern ancestors of the Atlantic and Indian Ocean (which was all the Atlantic back then), share the same symbology in their Spirence artifacts of yesterday.
South American Tribes, South African Tribes, Indian Tribes,Indonesian Tribes, Japanese and Chinese Tribes, all share the same pictorial drawings as this Shambala also, or The Kharmic Atlanteans shall we call them for their intense inner spiritualities.
As Jaguar Paw said, "My Father hunted these lands and my Father's Father before him...
Like the Setaria Grass and Chestnut Trees, we find the merger as the symbols of circular houses common, such as the Dendera Zodiac Cycle could also be compared to these symbologies of Spirence.
The Evidence, strongly suggests a Central presence between these two great continents divided by the Atlantic.
More so than the Pacific or Maatakare tribes who also reflected 10-12 Kings.
The sunken Atiliana plain between Fiji and New Zealand,like Seychelles, was once magnificient Leucippe lands to behold.
The Symmetry of Atlantis, is 1,2,5,7,10 and 14.
1 is hidden...Neptune The Water Child.
The Spirence is 1-13 for our Spirits.
We are all Atlanteans before 3250.bC.
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Yes Brig That could be the"Mu" lagand.but, I explained it before, unfortunatelyGeorgeos Understands wrong again-Sigh- i didnt mean"Mu" is Atlantis.Like Prof Santos said, the IndoChina maight bethe source of the"Mu" legend or may be There was a continent like island in the pacific, I dont know..but, the"mu" legend comes from tibet..Shambala also.. What I meant was-sigh again-, THIS PARTICULAR PICTURE reminds somehow ATLANTIS not Mu or Shambala whatever..This picture has three rings and Inside consentric squares..[I dont know if I explained enough now..
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You always are going to find figures like those in all the Earth regions, but that is not sufficient to relate to Atlantis. In order to be able to relate to Atlantis a geometric figure, you must ecnontrar: “Concentric Rings + one Cänal”, and this cänal, must start off of the center of all rings, that is, of smaller circle, and power station, and later extend towards the outside of all rings, crossing to all rings, that is, exactly as it appears in all the reconstructions that have been made about the Acropolis of Atlantis…
To date, Iberia is the only place of all the planet where they have appeared thousands of fragments of ceramics, or potery, with this same symbol, that is to say, exactly just as the scheme of the city of Atlantis, that is, Concentric Rings + one Cänal that leaves from the center of all the ring, that is, of smaller circle, and power station, and later extends towards the outside of all rings, crossing to all rings. And it is also Iberia, the only place of all the planet where it has appeared a circular concentric city (in Jaén), with this same scheme or symbol of the city of Atlantis, that is, exactly constructed with this form of several circular pits to lead water, alternated with several earth rings, plus a cänal that unites to the small central island, with the outside of all rings… And also it has been in Iberia where the greater concentration in all the planet of thousands of granite rocks has been found - to date - with thousands of engravings with this same symbol, that is identical to the scheme of the city of Atlantis, according to the description of Plato in the Critias…
Why you do not want to never see these evidences, and because she wastes the time trying to turn aside the attention of persons so that they see that other civilizations present/display same symbol of the Acropolis of Atlantis, like that of Shambala, but that it is not certain, because it does not correspond with the scheme of Atlantis, and the only coincidence are three simple concentric circles (that they are in all the Earth civilizations), but is no channel that leave towards the outside, crossing rings, nor uniting to any center circle island (only there is a square temple instead of a small center circle island).
It does not exist to date, no evidence of identical symbols to the one of the city of Atlantis in any other place of the World, outside Iberia. This I have demonstrated with many scientifical proofs to it, but you continue acting as if she did not know any evidence, once again I repeat links:
Look this maps or planes of reconstruction of the city of Atlantis exist, and which in addition was represented in the art to Pottery, and in an authentic old city with same design (Marroquíes Bajos, Jaen):
I have never seen this particular design and know nothing of it other than what I can perceive or sense, nor have I studied it other than to glance at the link you provided just recently.
I strongly believe that to understand this map properly, we would have to sit the box on the proper side.
Which, as you will see makes sense.
Kalachakra - Sera
White Pearl - top Left, position North-West. The Direction Eternal Father left us in and where we came from like our Pole Star.
Blue Sapphire Arrowhead - top right, position North-East
Pink Onyx stone -lower left - position South-west
golden onyx stone - lower right -South-East
The sun rises in the south east and sets in the north west, where the constellations also fall to the underworld.
As you can now see by rotating the map to it's proper position, the humans are falling down at the bottom or South position.
Islands lie North and West with daybreak to the east.
As we can also see, they use Ships steering wheels for markers,some dark, some white.
I don't think the colors are right on this picture either.
The Central Eye as the All Seer is in The Middle.
This is our Universe symbolized with "The House".
Also identifies with Father Ja Mn and The Great Pyramids, hence the All Seeing Eye of Ra.
For Father JA MN has come to be known as that Eye of Purity, where the secrets transferred into Arabia,Phoenicia and India from Tanzania and The Garden of Avila.
Which Transferred from Atlantis or The First Garden for Avila was the Second.
That is why the southern Atlanteans carried this symbol to S.America and also to China or any southern coastlines where we may even find some in Antarctica.
It appears to have
1st ring - The Firmament 2nd ring - The rail or race track for the roller to turn the wheel like a bearing inside a race. (note the cogs-ship wheels-connect to two smaller wheels) 3 ring - nations docked in the harbour turn the wheels of life on the purple earth. 4 ring- The Surrounding Oceanus 5th ring - Defense wall for the open pyramid.
(makes you wonder if the pyramids once looked like this and they filled them later to coverup)
Atlantis is composed of 3 water and 2 land rings to make 5,6 and 7 would be the Temple's wall.
Where this temple is Square and not round, nor is their a Canal present.
An Atlantean City, but not the Royal City but a member of.
Our Universe is also round, so the temple should reflect this law.
But, they had to go and square the circle!
There appears to be 8 groups of 11.
11 is a Kings number like 10.
88 entities. (strange in relation to Egypt and phoenicia's 72, where as you can see 72 priests add upto Father's number 9.)
So like 8, these 72 also bothered Father.
Dual 8's or the 88 would be symbolic of the Duat or Tao of Dual natures for both good and evil as the eternal path of 8 projects.
88=16=7 8 x 8 = 64 = 10
As you can see also Father's numbers for 7 is the said days of creation or an earlier count of known planets and 10 is just...perfect.
Purple is a sacred carpet as red is also for those rich hellions.
So the people in the harbour of life stand or dock at the sacred city.
The water around the city is torrent so it is for one to also be torrent through lifes journey to be able to reach the kindom of peace and tranguility by squaring the senses, so to say, or knowledge of the four corners.
As you can see, the temple is surrounded by flowers.
This artist colors orange on top, light blue to the east, black at the bottom and purple to the west.
We discovered that Father left North West, so we also see purple at the west being a sacred marking that reflects this statement.
In this drawing we actually have 7 rings and the 8th being the Temple wall.
Atlantis has 6 rings and the 7th is the OVal Temple, from 5 Rings seen for 3 of water and 2 of land.
It appears as 17 squares for the fortified temple.
Again the number 8 appears.
That's my impression of it's symbology, where the most relevant is to position the map properly.
Where if you noticed Julia, the link you provided displays the map improperly with the white corner lower left.
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Where you also learn if you take a left towards the darkness of the south and head south easterlyah...
You would be lost in the realm of Orion, Sirius (Osiris / Isis) and The Dark World of The Brazened Hellions from a planet of different rings to our Atlantis and those of Saturn.
Home of The Magnols and Gnols.
The 8th Planet.
Pluto is furthest because 8 troubled the 1 who is 5,6,7,9 and 10, though his real number is 11.
Ja Mn.
My Real Dad.
Not my Earth Father.
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Dear Riven; Thank you for your explainations. even if they all are spanish to me(!) thank you..Idontknowabout thosethings anything.. riven do you have a Book??that I understnad what you are saying??How doyou comeup all those numbers and figures whatever?? And the name Ja mn?/ are you from this planet? )) Georgeos: I am not trying toput Atlantis in anycorner:))Even if In hesperides it says it is in the west Corner of Africa..would you pleasewear off your paranoia and behave like a real scientist??
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QUOTE>> Super-Eruption: No Problem (Toba) Nature ^ | 7-6-2007 | Katherine Sanderson
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Super-eruption: no problem?
Tools found before and after a massive eruption hint at a hardy population. Katharine Sanderson
Massive eruptions make it tough for life living under the ash cloud.
A stash of ancient tools in India hints that life carried on as usual for humans living in the fall-out of a massive volcanic eruption 74,000 years ago.
Michael Petraglia, from the University of Cambridge, UK, and his colleagues found the stone tools at a site called Jwalapuram, in Andhra Pradesh, southern India, above and below a thick layer of ash from the eruption of the Toba volcano in Indonesia — an event known as the Youngest Toba Tuff eruption.
The tools from each layer were remarkably similar, and Petraglia says that this shows that the huge dust clouds from the eruption didn't wipe out the population of tool-using people. "Whoever was there seems to have persisted through the eruption," he says.
This is the first archaeological evidence associated with the Toba super eruption, says Petraglia, and it contradicts theories that the eruption had a catastrophic effect on the area that its ash blanketed.
Modern man?
Petraglia thinks that modern humans — rather than Neanderthals or other hominins — are the only species that would have been able to persist through an event as dramatic as the Toba eruption. This theory will spur much debate, he admits, because modern humans were not thought to have reached India, from Africa, so long ago. "It's controversial," says Petraglia, "but it makes a lot of sense."
Petraglia and his team compared the tools they found to others from Africa from different periods in this week's edition of Science1. The Indian tools look a lot like those from the African Middle Stone Age about 100,000 years ago, when modern humans were thought to have lived, he says. "Whoever was living in India was doing things identical to modern humans living in Africa." Neanderthal toolkits found in Europe are very different, he says. This is more evidence, he says, that the plucky ash-covered inhabitants of Jwalapuram were modern humans.
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Not to belabor the point but do keep in mind that Churchward, the only source of the Mu legend, places it firmly towards the middle of the Pacific ocean. Not the Atlantic, nor the Indian, nor the Artic. The Pacific. Nor does he mention any other mythic place as being part of the Mu legend. It would also be an eye-opener if the Mu followers were to read the life history of James Churchward, the writer of the Mu chronicles.Ihe legend of Mu is on far shakier ground than Atlantis.
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On the warpath of human evolution, “something” existed in between Man from Africa and Atlantis for so many thousands of years.
That “something” has been understood by some half-scientists as Lemuria and Mu etc. at various places.
Now some archeological scientists have started peeling the onions as to what existed the day before or the day after explosion of Mt. Toba during 74000 BP. I mean what type of humanity existed and in which direction it evolved. I think they have started finding some interesting evidences at so-called Lemurian Bharata, the obviously plausible place.
Fortunately this is the place where I have considered the presence of Shambala and Lemuria.
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Rajesh I want the name and credentials of these scientists that are referring to Lemuria. Some verifing references please.
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quote:Dear Riven; Thank you for your explainations. even if they all are spanish to me(!) thank you..Idontknowabout thosethings anything.. riven do you have a Book??that I understnad what you are saying??How doyou comeup all those numbers and figures whatever?? And the name Ja mn?/ are you from this planet?
No,I do not have a book.
The only book I use,other than webster's dictionary at times, is Cassell's new latin dictionary,1959 edition.
I say it is a Gift from Father Ja Mn because He intended for me to have this book,which I found one afternoon when I took out the Garbage and this book was laying on top of the pile with some other books.Ironicaly, around the time I was translating Timaeus.
Everything I know is self TAT or TOT.
(tell all truth, teacher of truth)
The numbers and figures are Spirence, or Science and Spirit based on our principal of 10 and our principal of 1,2,3 and 4, The Sacred Family of Eternal Father where Father is 1,mother 2,son,3,sister 4. 0 is our womb and universe.
No different than many other theologies of numbers that we can identify with many cultures such as 12 steps to enlightenment, or the 13 disciples where 1 is Fallen,JudaZ the Slave of Satan and Eliza's will.
As you know, the Daughter was defiled (raped and prostituted-although they say tempted), while the Son was murdered.
Spirituality has a lot to do with my work also, which as you may be aware of my ties with Eternal Father that also reflect my Family roots through Royalty and members of who preserved the Royal Crown and The Royal Family of Eternal Father,or The Holy Grail in understanding. Basicaly, the Families of MN which include Mneseus of Atlantis,Menes of Egypt,Menestheos of Europe to name a few, and as we see our Creator Father is also a MN. JA Mn or Jon Mn or AeJon Mn.
As you may also know, Father is Jon and I am Jor, for my second name of Jorge, therefore, my crowning as AeJor Mn like Father,AeJon Mn.
The Ae in front means eternal.
In this body, I am of this Planet Atlantis. In Spirit, I am of The Eternal Kingdom beyond the Oval Light (Pole Star), in the direction of Father.
Eternal Father, as His Will and Purpose reflects my will and purpose to truly know Him for we are of the Same White Linen,provided me with His True Knowledge when I was 44, last January as you can see from my research and for Father's purpose of our 10 Kings who start at Mr.04 and end with Mr.94 for our Precessional Cycle of 26,000 years, or each Zodiac Cycle.
Where I am Mr.44 and Jesa The Pure was Mr.34 as it has become known from Spirituality with Father.
This commenced that day when I was researching with Google Earth to study Egypt and the mediterranean areas, where just prior I received the Book of Latin from Father, for Latin is the modern understanding of Linear A, our oldest Language Roots that precede Egypt or anyone else for our Cycle of 26,000 years and the previous cycle for we understand that the Basques preserved 40,000 years of languages in Western Europe.
Something Mesopotamia doesn't want to admit like the Glozel,Vincan scripts that also precede theirs or the neanderthals and cro-magnons from Africa and Europe that populated Asia.
That day when I was using Google Earth in January, and on many other days after as well, I heard tones of harmonious sounds in my mind, and a nudge on my shoulder by Father to LOOK ON TOP OF THE GREAT PYRAMID.
This is when I discovered the letters JA written on top of the Great Pyramid in Cairo.
Then later, in our Egyptian forums here at AR, they were discussing the Air Shaft Stone Plugs, where I discovered by inverting the color for clarity such as the image reveals, Father's face,tied beard and cap with JA also written on it on the Air Shaft Stone plug.!!!
Researching JA or JAINISM, I found out that He was worshipped by approximately 1 million people in India, and also for Africa which would include Arabia and The Levant and Europe even into the Linear A era. His Faith vanishes around 600.bC, which we understand why because The Second Book of Baal and Satan was being written by the Philos of Hebrews and The Evil 72 with Eliza and Eleazar. Students of Putah's Southern Egypt who transferred through Arabia then upto the Levant at Byblos and Sidon.
They set up the twin pillars of JoAz and boAZ (herodotus)which is the portal of Satan to visit the Tabernacle in the Sole of no man's Black temple of Satan's Broad brimmed Hat of PtaH.
Or Hat of PUTAH, the ultimate Harlot of Hellions.
Sad, that the innocent people let those evil rulers condemn them over there.
But, they had little choice for the power of adamonite serpent tongues and brazened chains of cain and their Dark Prince who turned El's White Clothe to Black.
Time to turn back to White, as you can clearly see the Dark Prince is Fallen and resurrected with White Roman Clothe, for the Romans were also Evil as the conjured name of Pontius Pilate also reflects for the ritual re-enactment of the murder of his Son in the name of Jesus The Christ.
I hope many nations understand that I do not wish to destroy them or their beliefs but to RESTORE them with Whitened clothe and rid them of The Black Clothe.
And to preserve their true histories and forefathers and foremothers before The Hellions took over from 6482.bC when our Earth was Toppled from an imbalance of nature caused by them and not by Father who many blame for the psychology of HATING HIM AS THEY DO FOR THEIR LOVED ONES WHO DIE TODAY AND YESTERDAY.
Good things happen for good reasons, bad for bad, where some families are cursed such as our families of our Father were cursed by The Hellions First Born Son rule.
So it is, my First Twin Brothers miscarried.
Then Twin Sisters were born.
Then MySelf. 3rd born of 5 on 1/11/1961 on Jesus Christ Island as it was known in the times of Columbus and many nations and kingdoms brought us Gifts from Around THE WORLD.
The Spanish and Phoenicians sought to rob us of our Treasures,which they did.
Both in searching for The Son of Man and The Holy Grail to preserve their Bible of Satan.
For NO book of Father would have this blasphemied name in it.
Pure Books are for Purity. Evil books are for Evil.
Such is the separation and the knowledge.
When I discovered Father's name on top of The Great Pyramid, I realized why men try to decode the pyramid and falsely proclaim Orion, the realm of Hellions.
My Decoded map, as you know pointed me to Carina Nebula.
What are The odds that we should find the images of The Ascension of our Son in a Hubble Telescope Space picture from my decoding of The Pyramids in Cairo???
Also in direct relation to Father's name on Top and inside the Great Pyramid?
With my new knowledge From Father, I was able to locate the missing Serapaeum as shown some 5000 miles from Egypt, where it was and where the Murder of Jesa The Pure occurred and when.
Funny that on the spot where the Stain of Egypt is at Saqqara by The Red Pyramiod,twin to the great, we should find today...
A WATER TOWER.
I was also able to locate our True Garden of Avila and to miraculously discover that Father does in fact have a Wife and they are both looking down at a newborn Child upon the soil.
.111.With My Face on The Child or First Son.111.
Who would believe you if your face was seen?
How would you believe in yourself when you know that you did not place your face on The Child some 10,000 miles away from you???
Miracles do Occur.
Which we are witnessing.
.111. is for The Sacred Trinity of Father,Mother and Son, where the hidden 4th is The Daughter as you can see, they still hide Her and Mother today, but personify The Virgin Mary who is a personification of Cybelle who is a personification of Leucippe who is a personification of Mother, The Beauties of Shining Self and Breathe for our lungs and soul for our Spirits where Father created Us and Mother Breathes life into us.
As it always will be and still is.
So I trust that the fundamentality of my works is known.
I also trust that the map you provided of Shangrila, is very accurate and detailed enough with the logics of spirence as I have shown you,to also reflect the principals of Atlantis.
I say Atlantis because we find Setaria Grass and Chestnut trees where those Sailors would have landed such as China or South America and America near NewYork and The Canadian Border at their points of entrance for America.
Such as The Sacred Tibetans also reflect Atlantis.
Could we say such a thing as The Two Pyramids may also have reflected two great cities in accordance with those maps?
Were the cities covered up by Khufu to form Pyramids that once reflected these early maps of knowledge like Shangrila?
That is why we research...
To know our Truths.
That is why these forums are the greatest Academies of Research...
To clear the path to the Olive Tree and Crystal Fountain.
And prepare US for Father and Peace for All.
For no longer are we hidden, but immortaly will be known.
In time as it is progressing and becoming known.
Those Hellions can try as hard as they want to prevent this knowledge and kick me out of forums like Graham HanKook,Above Top Secret,Phys-Org,Space.Com,Egyptian Dreams,Multimedia Spain, and others to name a few.
Because They FEAR The Truth and Fear losing their religions...MONEY.
And they FEAR My Father for he is coming for the rest of The Hellions here on Earth.
Where in our Future,Money will become a thing of the past for our children to play with.
You'll See.
TriCaria Merit System.
All Will BE With and never Without,regardless of race or age.
All will be Fed and Sheltered and our Planet will evolve at 10 times the rate we do today to outshine other planets in our Universe.
Economies,businesses and Educations will prosper greatly and our only limits will not be money but The Sky.
For money is our worst evil and hinders all growth and causes great tragedies of self and others... except those who control it today with the chains of Brazened Hellions on our Unicorns in their Serpent buildings like our UN or World Bank of Wolfewitz (Wolves of ZAHO PUTAHS of the HT.PTAH).
There is no chain on the Rothshilds Unicorn as Canada,America and Britain.
That is all you need to know.
Hope you know.
It is Immortal.
Most importantly, we will have more time for our families and pets rather than monetary slaves of giant pressure cookers to feed the CaTTle PiTs of ConTempTion.
For this is all you really are today.
In any case, either this world will wake up and seat their rightful king...
Or Father will.
He waits for you.
Where as you will see, from the 4 corners of your researches...
You will Find Father and Atlantis as I have.
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Here’s an interesting article by Prof Krasnoholovets, regarding Vedic history and the area of modern Ukraine (Aratta). We propose that Atlantis sank beneath the Sea of Azov.
quote: “Then Sanskrit Reveals the Secrets by philologist Stepan Nalivayko [8], in which he shows that 5,000 to 2,000 years ago Ukrainians and Indo-Aryans coexisted in Ukraine and that their cultures were the same. It seems that two languages, the ancient Ukrainian and the Sanskrit, sounded in parallel. Thus, in Rigveda, Mahabgarata and Ramayan we meet tribes who were known to antique authors as residents of the Ukrainian land. Many names of gods, kings, sages, and grand warriors from the said sources are now typical names and surnames among Ukrainians (for instance, my name Volodymyr is originated from Varuna and Mitra).”
“Regular surface layouts and large territories of those pre-cities of ancient Indo-Europeans prevail over cities of Shumer, Egypt and India of that time. Shilov is the major specialist in the exploration of "steppe pyramids", i.e. field mounds. He has excavated over twenty mounds with the most ancient pre-Aryan and Aryan sacred places and burials. He has generalized works by previous great Ukrainian archaeologists V. Danylenko, H. Chmykhov, M. Shmahly, B. Mozolevsky, and others) and proved that those mounds are kin to hymns of Indo-Aryan Rigveda: the structure of the mounds and the get-up of burials constructed in the form of catacombs keep pace with the universal cycles, immortality of soul, and Yoga.”
“It has been evidenced that the Kamyana Mohyla mound is the most ancient in the world (its height is 15 m and diameter 200 m; it is situated near Melitopol city). The mound is dated by the XII millennium B.C. and associated with pre-Shumer civilization. G. A. Levkashin has deciphered pre-Shumer cuneiform archives of the XII-III millenniums conserved inside the mound.”
Quote by: Theoretical Physicist and Senior Scientist at the National Academy of Science in Ukraine, Dr. Volodymyr Krasnoholovets discusses Vedic origins and Ukraine, in his article, Does Modern Science Tends to the Knowledge Base of the Ancients?!, Recent Ukrainian Research. http://www.inerton.kiev.ua/HERA1.htm
Live in Harmony. Enjoy Life! EagleWind
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quote:Originally posted by Brig: Rajesh I want the name and credentials of these scientists that are referring to Lemuria. Some verifing references please.
Respected Brig:
Interesting, since Lemuria is presently not a part of orthodox science, so anyone referring to Lemuria today or in the past can not be considered as a part of orthodox science and his name and credentials tend to get under the clouds.
When scientific references are to be generated in such matters, then obviously verifiable references for Atlantis are going to be generated first and before Lemuria and Shambhla etc.
Even today Enthusiasts do not have any scientific references existing for Atlantis. When first it is generated then after Lemuria and Shambhla etc are going to be on the cross-wires.
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quote:Many names of gods, kings, sages, and grand warriors from the said sources are now typical names and surnames among Ukrainians (for instance, my name VOLODYMYR is originated from Varuna and Mitra).”
It surprises me to hear such a spiritual comment from you feathers of JAson's Fleece.
Carefull what you say, for letters don't lie.
As you can clearly see, your name is composed of two words, one true,one false.
Volod and YMYR is what you understand, for what you understand is INDO-PERSIO.
Watch.
YA MA YA RA or AMIR,a persian arabian prince.
Ya is mother Ya of Kings.
This is a Sin for it is JA is Father JA of Kings.
So in truth we would say VOLODJMJR.
OR, VOLODIMIR would be acceptable as the only replacement for J as an I, which is MALE.
Y is a Impregnated Woman by the I in the V.
See?
To further support this cause of Europe,Eukrainians and Baltic nations, they also use a common name of DAMIR, as you see from the Euro-Indian migrations for thoses who call themselves of a prince.
When in truth, these people of Europe are indegenious to themselves and populated Asia along with Africa.
So,this is not an indegenious name, but one as you understand reflects those mergers that become common from 3250.bC after the Flood of Hathor.
A time when ALL languages became confused,you see etymologicaly.
VALADJASON.(VALADIASON)
A JaVan King of The Euxine from HyperBorean Vikings.
Their is a reason for The Bosphoruous.
As you and I know EagleWind for the transfer of Queen AnA and Gold to your lands.
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The little I have read on the subject and the second link provided by Julia sure does remind me a bit about Thoth.
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quote:Originally posted by julia: Dear Rajesh; Is the shambala Myth from India?Or Tibet?? is there any conncetion with the myth of "mu"
Or Atlantis??
Respected Julia:
Shambala (Shambhal) has been a very ancient myth from India. Hindu scriptures describe it at many places as a futuristic sacred city associated with advent of the last and tenth Lord (Incarnation of Vishnu) during the end of the present materialistic evil age.
Hindu scriptures do not seem to have extolled the past existence of Shambala (Shambhal). Although I can not claim that I have read all such scriptures or that I remember them, actually they are so huge and enormous in numbers.
However the Buddhists later seem to have extolled the past and future sacred existence of Shambala to a larger extent. As teachers and leaders of Tibetian Buddhists originally migrated from India, so I think in this way the myth of Shambala traveled from India to Tibet, so much so that it now looks to have originated at Tibet. I feel it better to say that the myth of Shambala has been preserved best at Tibet.
However I can not rule out that the pre-Buddhist Tibetians could have learnt these facts, myths and secrets directly from the ancient Indian sages and writers of Epics living at Himalayas.
The myth of Shambala must have permeated across many cultures. The name of the God from Shambala albeit spoken entirely differently but literally translates to the same uncommon words and meaning in Hindu, Buddhist and Jarathrusta (Iranian) connections. Here the existence of Jarathrusta connections may also imply the pre-Buddhist connections of this myth.
I am yet to know of any connection, which in the mythological terms may directly relate Shambala with Mu or Atlantis.
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Rajesh: When we KNOW for certain the origin of a myth and we KNOW it is fictious; shouldn't we let it drop? You might just as well be researching the plausibility of the Tooth Fairy. Lemuria can be traced directly back to a theoritical landbridge between India and Madagascar that, as it turns out, never existed. It was a scientific construction that never panned out.I'm only referring to Lemuria, none of the others. But we KNOW this one is a discarded scientific theory.Why continue to purpetuate the myth?
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If you noticed, the map of shambala has islands to the north and islands to the west with daybreak or pacifica on the right and the darkened realm to the south, that is if you have it in the proper position with white north west.
Since time is of the right hand, the rotations should also be clockwise.
Start with Father and go to the East, we create the Sun from the break of day, pacifica.
Heading South to West, we approach the darkness or the creation of The Moon.
Which seems to translate as Sail south then turn west then north to the islands of the blessed.
Sail south along the pacific, west along the Indian then north on the Atlantic.
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Tibetan Buddhist tradition, Shambhala (also spelled Shambala or Shamballa) is a mystical kingdom hidden somewhere beyond the snowpeaks of the Himalayas. It is mentioned in various ancient texts, including the Kalachakra Tantra[2] and the ancient texts of the Zhang Zhung culture which pre-dated Tibetan Buddhism in western Tibet. The Bön[3] scriptures speak of a closely-related land called Olmolungring.
Sanskrit term meaning "place of peace/tranquility/happiness". Shakyamuni Buddha is said to have taught the Kalachakra tantra on request of King Suchandra of Shambhala; the teachings are also said to be preserved there. Shambhala is believed to be a society where all the inhabitants are enlightened, actually a Buddhist "Pure Land", centered by a capital city called Kalapa. An alternative view associates Shambhala with the real empire of Sriwijaya where Buddhist master Atisha studied under Dharmakirti from whom he received the Kalachakra initiation.
Shambhala is ruled over by a line of Kulika Kings (Tib. Rigden), a monarch who upholds the integrity of the Kalachakra tantra. Some scholars believe this figure developed out of the myth of the Hindu conqueror Kalki, a similar personage [4]. However, the dating of Hindu texts come into question, as Buddha is also mentioned in many of those texts.[citation needed] The myth of Shambala and its location is also more developed in Buddhism. The Kalachakra prophesizes that when the world declines into war and greed, and all is lost, the twenty-fifth Kulika king will emerge from Shambhala with a huge army to vanquish "Dark Forces" and usher in a worldwide Golden Age. Using calculations from the Kalachakra Tantra, scholars such as Alex Berzin (see his website) put this date at 2424 AD. The Hindu Kalki Purana suggests this 25th Kulika King will be Kalki, an avatar of Lord Vishnu.
As His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama noted during the 1985 Kalachakra initiation in Bodhgaya, Shambhala is not an ordinary country: "Although those with special affiliation may actually be able to go there through their karmic connection, nevertheless it is not a physical place that we can actually find. We can only say that it is a pure land, a pure land in the human realm. And unless one has the merit and the actual karmic association, one cannot actually arrive there."
There are various ideas about where this society is located, but it is often placed in central Asia, north or west of Tibet.
Ancient Zhang Zhung texts identify Shambhala with the Sutlej Valley in Himachal Pradesh. Mongolians identify Shambala with certain valleys of southern Siberia.
The first information that reached western civilization about Shambhala came from a Portuguese Jesuit priest and explorer, Estêvão Cacella, in early 17th century. The Hungarian scholar Alexander Csoma de Köros, writing in 1833, provided the first geographic account of 'a fabulous country in the north...situated between 45' and 50' north latitude'.
During the 19th century, Theosophical Society founder H.P. Blavatsky alluded to the Shambhala myth, giving it currency for Western occult enthusiasts. H.P. Blavatsky compiled a fifteen-hundred-page, two-volume synthesis of Eastern wisdom, evolutionary science and races - The Secret Doctrine. The Secret Doctrine made an especially powerful impression in Germany, refueling the 'theories' of the Third Reich about the Aryan master Race. Those 'theories' preoccupied two major figures in the Third Reich - Heinrich Himmler and Rudolf Hess leading to the German Tibet expeditions (1930, 1934-5, 1938-9)[7]. Later esoteric writers further emphasized and elaborated on the concept of a hidden land inhabited by a hidden mystic brotherhood whose members labor for the good of humanity.
The mystic Nicholas Roerich[8] and the Soviet agent Yakov Blumkin led two Tibetan expeditions to discover Shambhala, in 1926 and 1928.
Madame Blavatsky, who claimed to be in contact with a Great White Lodge of Himalayan Adepts,(Freemason BullShit) mentions Shambhala in several places without giving it especially great emphasis. (The Mahatmas, we are told, are also active around Shigatse and Luxor.) Blavatsky's Shambhala, like the headquarters of the Great White Lodge, is a physical location on our earth, albeit one which can only be penetrated by a worthy aspirant.(Don't trust Blavatsky)
Related "hidden land" speculations surrounding the underground kingdom of Agartha led some early twentieth-century occultists (especially those associated with Nazi or Neo-Nazi occultism) to view Shambhala as a source of negative manipulation by an evil (or amoral) conspiracy
(Funny because Agartha also identifies with Arganthonios of Tartessos and the term "Silver City" also pops up as underground kingdom does)
Zhang Zhung (Tibetan: ཞང་ཞུང་; ZWPY: Shangshung; Tang Chinese: 羊同 Yangtong) or Xiangxiong was an ancient culture of western and northwestern Tibet, which pre-dates the culture of Tibetan Buddhism in Tibet. Zhang Zhung culture is associated with the Bön religion, which in turn, has influenced the philosophies and practices of Tibetan Buddhism. Also known as the Shang Shung, the Zhang Zhung are mentioned frequently in ancient Tibetan texts as the original rulers of central and western Tibet. Only in the last two decades have archaeologists been given access to do archaeological work in the areas controlled by the Zhang Zhung.
Recently, a tentative match has been proposed between the Zhang Zhung and an Iron Age culture now being uncovered on the Chang Tang plateau of northwestern Tibet.[citation needed]
According to Annals of Lake Manasarowar, at one point the Zhang Zhung civilization was comprised of 18 kingdoms in the west and northwest portion of Tibet. The Zhang Zhung culture was centered around sacred Mount Kailash and extended west to Sarmatians and present-day Ladakh & Baltistan, southwest to Jalandhara, south to the kingdom of Mustang in Nepal, east to include central Tibet, and north across the vast Chang Tang plateau and the Taklamakan desert to Shanshan. Thus the Zhang Zhung culture controlled the major portion of the "roof of the world".[citation needed]
The Zhang Zhung capital city was said to be Khyunglung (Khyunglung Ngülkhar), the "Silver Palace of Garuda Valley", southwest of Mount Kailash, which is identified with palaces found in the lower Sutlej Valley, in the ancient Kinnaur District of Himachal Pradesh, India.[citation needed]
The Zhang Zhung built a towering fort, Chugtso Dropo, on the shores of sacred Lake Dangra, from which they exerted military power over the surrounding district in central Tibet.[citation needed]
The fact that the some of the ancient texts describing the Zhang Zhung kingdom also claimed the Sutlej valley was Shambhala, the land of happiness (from which James Hilton possibly derived the name "Shangri La"), may have delayed their study by Western scholars.[
Paleolithic findings Pollen and tree ring analysis indicates the Chang Tang plateau was a much more liveable environment until becoming drier and colder starting around 1500 BC.
Recent archeological work on the Chang Tang plateau finds evidence of an Iron Age culture which some have tentatively identified as the Zhang Zhung. This culture is notable for the following characteristics:
a system of hilltop stone forts or citadels, likely used as a defense against the steppe tribes of Central Asia, such as the Scythians[citation needed] burial complexes which use vertical tombstones, occasionally in large arrays, and including up to 10,000 graves in one location[citation needed] stone temples located in the mountains adjacent to the plains, characterized by windowless rooms, corbelled stone roofs, and round walls[citation needed] evidence of a stratified social structure, as indicated by royal or princely tombs[citation needed] petroglyphs which shows the culture was a warrior horse culture[citation needed] These characteristics more closely match the Iron age cultures of Europe and the Asian steppes than those of India or East Asia, suggesting a cultural influence which arrived from the west or north rather than the east or south.
[edit] Defeat of the Zhang Zhung in 644 AD In 644 AD the Zhang Zhung were defeated by Songtsen Gampo, the 33rd King of Tibet, in a battle near Lake Dangra. The Tibetan king and the Zhang Zhung king had married each other's sisters in a political alliance. However the Tibetan wife of the king of the Zhang Zhung complained of poor treatment by the king's principal wife. War ensued and the Zhang Zhung were decisively defeated and Tibet unified for the first time. However their Bön traditions were absorbed into the greater Tibetan culture and would become some distinctive elements of Tibetan Buddhism.[citation needed]
A handful of Zhang Zhung texts and 11th century bilingual Tibetan documents attest to an Zhang Zhung language which was related to Old Tibetan, although it included words of Kinnaur origin. The exact relation to Old Tibetan is subject to dispute. The Bönpo claim that the Tibetan writing system is derived from the Zhang Zhung alphabet,
A language called Zhang Zhung is still spoken by approximately 2,000 native speakers in the Sutlej Valley of Himachal Pradesh[1]. It is not clear if this language, of the Himalayish family of the Tibeto-Burman family, derives from the language spoken by the Zhang Zhung, or if they are the descendants of the Zhang Zhung as claimed, although this is quite plausible
It is noteworthy that the Bönpo tradition was founded by a buddha like figure named Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche[1], whose teachings are similar in scope to the teaching espoused by the historical Buddha. Bönpos claim that Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche lived some 18,000 years ago, and visited Tibet from the land of Tagzig Olmo Lung Ring, or Shambhala. Bönpos also suggest that during this time Lord Shenrab Miwoche's teaching permeated the entire subcontinent and was in part responsible for the development the Vedic religion. An example of this link is that Mount Kailash, as the center of Zhang Zhung culture, is also the most sacred mountain to Hindus. In turn, Buddhism evolved from the spiritual teachings of the Vedic religion. As a result, the Bönpos claim that the much later teaching at least indirectly owes its origin to Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche.
Funny how important the letter M and J also is for Asia.
quote:Originally posted by Brig: Rajesh: When we KNOW for certain the origin of a myth and we KNOW it is fictious; shouldn't we let it drop? You might just as well be researching the plausibility of the Tooth Fairy. Lemuria can be traced directly back to a theoritical landbridge between India and Madagascar that, as it turns out, never existed. It was a scientific construction that never panned out.I'm only referring to Lemuria, none of the others. But we KNOW this one is a discarded scientific theory.Why continue to purpetuate the myth?
Respected Brig:
I agree. The pseudoscientific land bridge myth of Lemuria has later been replaced convincingly by continental shift of Gondwanaland. Accordingly I think of using “Ancient Bharata” onwards in place of Lemuria.
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Dear Rajesh: the Outside of 4 Rings looks like the Rings of Atlantis.And in The middle looks like atemple.. Remember my language theory, I was saying The aryans came from babylon.And before that they may be came from Atlantis(Hamitic, semitic and Yaphetidic people) So, they could have been come from Atlantis. I think Buddhist tradition derived from brahmanism isnt it??And yes, I thinkThese people came from Atlantis.. But, There was another big civilizationIn Indonesia might be that also..
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