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Velikovsky made the wormwood connection to a cometary impact, I think.
http://www.messianic-literary.com/comet.htm Rev. 8:10-11: The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water-- the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.
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That passage could refer to several possibilities for ruining the land and water. Nuclear war being one. Asteroid strike being another (also referred to as "The hammer of God") Nibiru does not fit either catagory. Nibiru is supposed to be 3 times as large as Uranus; which would make it about the size of Saturn. There isn't anything that we could even comprehend that could survive on Saturn. much less Nibiru that revolves around a very cool brown star, so far out in space that everything would be frozen solid anyway. A planet that size entering our solar system plus the gravitational; attraction of this brown star would pretty much distroy the solar system plus the fact our Sun, having a much stronger gravity would suck any brown giant coming that close, right into it, with further disasterous results. Nibiru does not exist as Sitchen discribes it.
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So Wireless, who says that particular set of circumstances has happened before? Not Velikovski, not even Hoagland. That scenerio was made up by Zacheria Sitchen who has the reliability of P.T.Barnum.
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What "particular set of circumstances" are you talking about!? Again, periodic or cyclic activity does NOT mean that the circumstance are always the same one cycle after the other!!!
Brig, you really need to grasp some of these very basic concepts!!!
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I'm not certain what set of circumstances you were referring to when you said it had happened before. Clearify.
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Brig, a key parameter of a cycle is called the PERIOD. This is when the time/space position is being repeated again...
However, all cycles (frequencies) are super-imposed on top of each other, therefore, the "circumstances" of energy transfer are not exactly the same on every cycle...
Like the day and year cycles REPEAT over and over again, but the next day or the next year is not exactly the same. This is the same thing with the LARGER MACRO CYCLES...
So, for example, if at the end of age/era precession macro cycle the "statistical probablity" (circumstances) of an impact is much, much higher, then it will happen again...but not necessarily at the same time/space location!!!
Again, reality (data encoded in waves) is CYCLICAL not random...
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Well its certain Wireless that you can make a persons head go in cycles and spin and spin until you make one quite dizzy.
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But I doubt that has anything top do with a nonexestant planet and a questionable dark star. Only fablemakers, like Sitchen, could bable through that.
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Planet, dark star, comet, asteroid, meteor, cheese balls, or whatever you want to call them things that "periodically" impact Earth!!!
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It isn't going to hit Earth(kingu) It will come close by as it always has. It's orbit path runs by Jupiter. Tiamat no long has people on. The Anu live in a dark matter galaxy cluster, which magnetic field points to us. If anything we sould learn from are alien friends. We came from beings that migrated from the center of our universe to the out side where Earth is now.
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quote:Originally posted by Brig: Well, Volitzer, if they had been they would have been far too hot to vote. Their body temperature must be about 270 degrees below zero. Bring them to earth and the 300 plus degree change would probably melt them...quite litterly.Besides that the Sun would be so bright as to permenantly blind them. Their eyes must be as big a saucers, considering how dark Pluto is. And our gravity would render them almost unable to move. Nope they couldn't have argued their case even if they did exist.
Pluto is not near absolute zero. Pluto and Charon are quite habitable cuz the Kuiper Belt send photons to it like a solar capacitor.
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Volitzer knows, he's from planet Loopy in the Kuiper belt.
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For what you guys know about of economics you would have to ask. Posts: 10116 | From: Jacksonville, Florida | Registered: Oct 2000
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Hokay we have a Queen and a President on line here. Eat yer hearts out AO. Posts: 14491 | From: Old Washington, Ohio , USA | Registered: Apr 2002
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The German newspaper 'Die Tageszeitung' has a reputation for leftist social sensitivity. All the more bizarre then was its choice of a cover to mark Obama's victory in the race for the Democratic Party nomination: a photo of the White House under the headline "Uncle Barack's Cabin."
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That planet X and Volitzer/Sitchen planet X are not even related. The planet X thats being persued at present is about the size of Mars, not 4 times the size of Neptune; its in a distant orbit about our Sun, not some other brownstar sun. It is presently thought that several small bodies recide beyond Pluto, but mathmetically speaking, considering the orbital perturbations on the outer planets, it cannot be much larger than Mars. It will be very frozen, very dark, A solar popcicle, so to speak. No Volitzer, the Keiper belt does not generate heat.
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..and how do you know!? From the other thread, you obviously don't even know the difference between (1) global warming and (2) the age/era precession macro cycle! LOL!!!
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I am not 100% certain of how I ended up at this site, and it could very well have come from this or some other thread on AR. I read most of the pages on this thread, and scanned the last few and did not see it. Here is the link;
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Obviously neither do you.
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Of course I do...Earth and climate changes due to an age/era precession macro cycle transition is DIFFERENT from man-made global warming...
In other words, man-made global warming does NOT exist while age/era macro cycles (and other more normal cycles, like the day and year cycles) do exist...
Essentially, basic stuff that you and so many others here still CANNOT fully grasp!
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This site is being searched for by poster NIBIRU. So it is now reopened. Volitzer, Where are you?
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quote:Originally posted by Brig: Martian dust is extremely fine as is seen on several pictures showing part of the lander. Also, it came as quite a suprise to NASA when the martian wind cleaned the robots solar panels so the influx of sun caused the batteries to charge up quite nicely. Much of the finer dust on Mars is not iron oxide; but even iron oxide when ground fine enough will be easily distributed throughout the atmosphere. There isn't much water readily availasble in the martian atmosphere or the ground thus making the planets dust very "fly away". You will notice that after the winds of Mars settle, as they do at various times, the sky pictures take on a blue appearance. But Mars is a dusty planet and thus many sky pictures take on a dusty or pinkish hue.
Made me wonder there for a minute. This is a good explanation. Though the air is light, the winds are high and the gravity only a third, which would probably allow dust to be whipped up easier.
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It is possible (as most stars have companion stars) that our Sun may have a twin out there someplace. Actually if our Sun is alone, it would be unique. However, such a companion star to our Sun would need be no more than a brown dwarf star, one that has not the mass to actually erupt into a full fledged star. If our Sun had a bright twin, we would already know it. A brown dwarf star could possibly have planets rotating around it. But these planets would be very difficult for life to inhabit. They would be very dark and sustain temperatures of very little above absolute zero. If our Sun has an errant planet revolving about it at some absurb angle that it takes something like 2600 years to make a revolution about the Sun; you can bet your spats there is nothing above a virius alive on it. Such a planet would spend better than three quarters of its revolution in near total darkness and near total zero temperatures. It may exist, we've been surprised before, but it will be sterile or near sterile. The possibilities of errant bodies existing in the Kepler or Oort areas far out from the Sun are a distinct possibility. But these worlds, whatever their size, will harbour no advanced life forms. The possiblity of a planet of any appreciative size being bumped from these regions is remote but not impossible. Such a body entering the solar system could, if its trajectory was right, cause massive orbit changes, and meteoric bombardment on the other planets, including Earth. It could even intersect one of the planet and collide; causing orbital readjustments and massive meteoric damage. But this is highly unlikely. Mark off 2012; no planet of any size has been found that could enter our solar system between now and 2012 and do anything of consequence.
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Someone on the Graham Hancock forum posted for me a while back, a program for calculating the gravitational effects another star would have if it passed near us relatively quickly. You could put in different parameters to see what would happen.
I was intrigued to see the surgical effect it had, with some of the inner planets hardly being affected at all in some scenarios, despite quite near misses.
Perhaps Planet X or Nibiru is a body that causes minor disruption of our orbit or inclination..or perhaps of the inner planets.
I think you're right about there being no life on such a body as it'd be far too cold, being distant. It's interesting to speculate what else could be out there and no reason to state there's nothing in higher inclinations or beyond the Oort Cloud. Perhaps rocky bodies condense directly from clouds, making interstellar space full of planetoids. Because they're so small, we can't detect them. Theoretically of course.
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Of course that would also depend on the mass of the new star. And the masses of planets around it. But any brown dwarf star that came so close to our sun that its planets would intersect the earth would be so close to our Sun that the solar gravity would draw it into a collision. Such a collision would end the solar system as we know it. Nor would we be around to take note of the results.
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So, in 2012, the plane of the solar system will be parallel within the plane of the spiral arm of the Milky Way Galaxy, and this allows "us" to look right down thru to the center of the galaxy.
And, we are about two-thirds of the way out on this spiral arm, and our galaxy itself is also spinning and rotating around something larger. Perhaps in 2012, something will happen to our sense of time. Maybe as our solar system joins the path of the spiral arm, we speed up, become clearer as to our immediate surroundings, and we are not only able to see into the galaxy center, but also look our into the distance with a clearer head ... like standing up after a long nights sleep.
Maybe there are new harmonics coming from the finer attunement within our cosmic 'hood. Maybe we will intercept a broader, louder awareness of ET's, and total shifting of the meaning of human awareness of beingness.
Just like the cogs in a wheel, the drips from a fountain, the blowing grains of sand .. they all happen so cosmically slow, we hardly notice, yet if things were physically sped up, our inner awareness could see rapid accumulation and then melting.
Now that you think I've lost my mind, Happy New Year.
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Lost your mind? Probably not. Everyone who has tried to fathom such questions as time, eternity, existance end up questioning their sanity. There are many factors that we are not aware of. Until we are we'll go nuts trying to answer these questions.
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