I believe there must certainly be some learned detectives on this forum when it comes to Mysteries, and I hope very much I can stimulate some help from them.
I have been seeking help to understand a few strange things we stumbled upon in Egypt. We have presented the details of these so others can get a chance to apply their thinking to them and maybe be the one that comes up with a solution. We have not fathomed them ourselves yet. We are not scientists, but we are explorers after the truth. Please can you help?
So far we have shown two items for you to check out. We have added the basic facts surrounding each item, and have tried not to be final about what we think they may be.
The first concerns stone reliefs to be found in Nazlet Village, and the second concerns a ground relief found way out in the Western desert. Even with the know-how, I think it would be technically impossible to present the pictures here for you to consider, so I have to offer you the link below in good faith so you can go see them and return with comment. So far I had invited the same feedback using E mail, without any great revelation. I hope with the good people here I may fare better. Thank you, Richard. Here is the link..
Looks like a recent casting using concrete to me as I once was a inspector of such back in my engineering days. It does not look ancient to me, but recent to garner attention by utilization of strange symbols so as to create mystery. How old do you think it is?
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Your first impression is forgivable for sure, and the pics I have posted probably don't help sufficiently.
I too served in the trade for over 20 years and I viewed this and other masonery critically when we examined them. In many instances here and deep below ground, we came across stonework that was surely very old, but also bore all the signs of it having been 'poured.'
I know this possibility for many of the ancient constructions is a very contraversial one, but when you are on the spot in these places and you see it for yourself, the eyebrows raise three inches and a wow whistle comes from the lips!
The original photos we took are in high def. and were taken of the surround as well as the centre object. There is no doubt from these, as in person, the stonework is very very old. Similarly from having spent time living there and getting to know people from all walks, including from the official side of the fence, I am certain these surviving examples are no more than anonymous functional appendages to the locals.
As we can, we will sift and upload more mystery presentation pages plus pics for everyone to hopefully help descipher.
When did concrete casting begin? We know the romans did it. But this concrete isn't likely that old; it appears too well defined, the bubbles that broke in the surface of the concrete are still visible. Concrete can deteiorate rather fast. Most concrete shows heavy signs of wear in only 100 years; some far less; depending on weathering conditions. Hot sun and cold nights are as bad as wet weather, freezing, and sand blowing against it. That portal could be less than 100 years old. I have no opinion of the form in the desert. From the distance shot it looks artifical, but up close, it does not. Who knows?
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I believe the above link is the same area that you refer to as having the curious arch. When you click/zoom from the Aswan area east (see pointer icon of Nazlet) and switch between terrain and satellite versions, as well as zooming in occasionally, it appears to me to once have been severely innundated and flushed out by torrents of deep water, bringing in the sand and rocks as deposits after a severe ancient climate change. Notice all the irratics deposited in the old dry stream/riverlettes all over the area, they look like chocolate chips in the dry stream beds.
I'd guess that some catastrophic flooding event wooshed over the area, possibly a few thousand years after the Sahara evaporated. The winds then blew sand over the area.
In modern times, when the Sphinx was first photographed, it was up to its neck in dirt. Possibly the folks who live around this village today, unburried the arch and built the modern town around it generations ago.
My vote is for antiquity. The cat immage reminded me of something that would be from ancient Mesopotamia, and the little ET like character, hmmmmmm.
Whatever caused the Black Sea to become salty nearly 8,000 years ago certainly would have caused the Meds water backing up all the way to Aswan. I think I read something about that from core samples around the Aswan dam area as the engineers were searching for footer locations for the dam construction.
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Thank you RG for your contribution. I know it would help if we could simply show a sat pic of the exact desert area where the desert relief is located. It is in a protected area and we would cause a heck of a lot of trouble for those living closest to it. Suffice to say, it is within the greater Fayyum catchment.
The stone arches, along with other anomolous constructions, are slap bang in the middle of the Giza/Nazlet village.
You have picked up on an obvious point that ties with our water level research.... and which seems to have escaped the mainstream archaeological theorists. Namely a deeper examination of the old receeding sea levels and how these may have tied to ancient population movements.
With Google Earth and Earth Wind, it is possible to find a wealth of evidence along these obvious sea courses, and which begs to be investigated further on the ground.We believe by examining the ground height of finds it would be possible to form up a picture showing the most fruitful old sea levels to search more closely.
Any successes would be self fulfilling to more finds. In due course you will see more evidence presented on our site pages to this end.
Similarly at Giza, there is 'so' much there under everyone's noses, just begging for a simple and comprehensive survey of construction methods and styles. From this a genuine chronology could be built up reaching way back from the pharonic history that the authorities would have us glued to for evermore!
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Brig, I would like to enlarge on your ideas.
We saw many examples of stonework above and below ground that looked suspiciously like poured concrete.
Once again we lacked the means to conduct a scientific examination. I'm sure they would tell a lot.
As to dating. We have simple logic for a start. Buildings can be identified that have been fomed with pirated stone from Giza. Alongside, there are older buildings built from mud brick in abundance. Among these are older sandstone buildings, and examples such as the arches stonework from an undetermined date. The mixture of all these types above ground, continue below ground. But then it can be seen where the predominant surface mud brick has been founded on more solid stone constructions going much deeper below ground. Finally we saw at much lower levels below ground, there were massive stone and granite remains.
It did not need a scientist to make an interpretation. If a believed city existed during the pristine time of the GP, and aeons before modern Cairo was even though of, then it would be natural after an inundation and beyond the receeding waters, that survivors would use the sediment and water to build with mud brick.
Likewise it would be reasonable for emerging survivors to incorporate the washed remains of destroyed buildings in their new constructions. Only the most strong buildings would have survived... like the GP.... and so the 'lay' theory continues.
A heck of a lot of people buy into this... and they are not all armchair pundits. They are the often the actual people who live there. We just have to keep playing the best part we can in the unfolding story.
I'm going to look at this a bit further, Messenger, but I would guess that the archway itself is old, but the detail is too good to be very old. Very little erosion exists considering the fact that it is open to the weather above.
The stains are a good indicator of age as well. The stains on the right side are the same in color as the building on the right indicating that it was either stained on purpose, or stained by salt-water since the little place is next to water.
Above the left cat, however, is another stained area, but has a snow-white arch surrounding part of the stain - a clear indication of patch work.
The arch doesn't appear to have the same age as the buildings on either side which do seem to have a whole lot of erosion and cracks indicative of age.
Cats were very important in Egypt as everyone knows.
The contrast with door #2 is really the telling of the ages. The second door is quite a bit older, obviously.
The definition of the design has a worn look as well as breaks and cracks as well. The figures are not as defined, and show extreme aging, and while the figures on the right seem to be something fighting or mating dancing with a lion, it's really hard to tell. The very work itself seems much more primitive compared to the #1.
My thought is that door #1 is without a doubt was built much later than door #2.
As to the little "grey" figure...well, stranger things have been seen. Either it is a joke, someone placed it there because they saw it, or it's a bad replica of whatever it's supposed to be.
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Since I last wrote, I have considerably updated the information about the (alien?) archways and the desert high sea saddle with the (ancient symbol?)
I hope I have also addressed some of the points raised by correspondents on the forums, and many leads are still being chased down. You really all have come up with a bag full of new suggestions to think about. Thank you.
You will be able to read your own comments there also where I have summarised them from all sources with full credit.
Apart from the Nazlet and Desert additions, I have added a third page as promised, to deal with the collapsed, Human and Horse bones cave found half way up a high desert cliff. It is supported by a bunch more pics.
I hope once again I can call upon the good minds of contributers here to be motivated and help unravel the mystery of their sources. There are so many clues but no solutions yet, but they all tantalisingly point to a time of long ago.
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