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They came first for the Communists.. but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews... but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Unionists... but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Unionist. Then they came for the Catholic... but I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me... and by that time... there was no-one left to speak up for me. Rev. Martin Niemoller, commenting on events in Germany 1933-1939
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Anatomy of an Anti-Semite By David Kupelian - October 24, 2003 It comes in many forms. Some are exotic ...
They are accursed in heaven and on earth. They are accursed from the day the human race was created and from the day their mothers bore them. They are accursed also because they murdered the Prophets. ... These accursed ones are a catastrophe for the human race. They are the virus of the generation, doomed to a life of humiliation and wretchedness until Judgment Day. ... Their history always was and always will be stained with treachery, falseness, and lying. ... Thus, the Jews are accursed the Jews of our time, those who preceded them and those who will come after them, if any Jews come after them.
Official Egyptian daily newspaper Al-Akhbar, in a recent column titled "Accursed Forever and Ever" by Fatma Abdallah Mahmoud
And others are homegrown ...
The reason that Jesus Christ hasn't returned for judgment since being murdered by the Jews 2,000 years ago is because not one single white person from the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has stood up and exposed Satan and his devils. Only true white blood is recognized by God, even as Noah was 'perfect in his generations.' Satan and his devils now face Jesus's wrath! Brainwashed evil white politicians, clergy, teachers, professors, and other traitor white collaborators will be transformed into ******s by Jesus and cast into Hell and tortured forever!
White supremacist group in Illinois
Some target Jewish people ...
You are wicked deceivers of the American people. You have sucked their blood. You are not real Jews, those of you that are not real Jews. You are the synagogue of Satan, and you have wrapped your tentacles around the U.S. government, and you are deceiving and sending this nation to hell. But I warn you in the name of Allah, you would be wise to leave me alone. But if you choose to crucify me, know that Allah will crucify you.
Rev. Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam, Saviours' Day Speech, Chicago, Feb. 25, 1996
While others focus on the Jewish state ...
Farah and WND have either been duped and misled by the Zionist Jews, or they are willingly cooperating with one of the most repressive and out-of-control nations the world has ever seen.
Your actions make you partially responsible for every one of the thousands of Iraqi, Afghanistanian and Palestinian children who have been murdered by Israel or its henchmen, the USA. To call yourself a Christian is an insult to the Lord Jesus, and to every other true Christian who has ever lived. You should be ashamed of yourself, but I'm sure this is an alien concept to you.
Two recent e-mails to WorldNetDaily.com
But they all have one thing in common: They hate Jews.
Today, thousands of books and articles in many languages describe the supposed sub-human character and dark machinations of Jews. Think tanks devote years to the painstaking revision of history to eliminate or downplay the Nazi Holocaust. Newspapers throughout the Middle East and elsewhere regularly publish diatribes condemning Jews as Satan's cannibalistic offspring.
Palestinian children are taught, virtually from birth, that Allah desires beyond all else that they blow themselves up in the flower of their youth while inflicting as much pain, torture and death as possible on people they've never met. Self-righteous pseudo-Christians excoriate Jews for murdering Christ and pretending they're "God's chosen." Card-carrying, underdog-defending, racist-hating "leftists" fulminate over the brutal "apartheid" regime in the "racist" pariah state of Israel.
Why?
Imagine for a moment that you hate "the Jews" or, if you actually do hate (resent, blame, condemn, mistrust) "the Jews" or the Jewish state of Israel, look at yourself objectively for a minute.
What is this feeling you feel when you first breathe in Jew-hatred when you quietly, knowingly condemn "the Jews," blaming them for your problems, our nation's problems, the Mideast crisis, Jesus Christ's death, the plight of the Palestinians, whatever? What exactly is it you are experiencing?
Ecstasy
It's like the rush of a drug, but much smoother, more subtle, more powerful, more transforming. One minute you're full of anxiety and rage over the miserable state of your world. But the next minute having partaken of the "drug" your thinking has been totally reorganized, revolving now around your illuminated understanding of life. Suddenly, everything makes sense. You are part of the world's elite with esoteric knowledge of where all this evil is coming from. You totally understand both past and present.
But this "high" provides much more than just total clarity about who's good and who's evil. There is also a sense of what can truly be described as euphoria, exaltation, ecstasy, power, identity, "belongingness," a feeling of righteousness, a restoration of lost innocence. Yes, hatred and blame can confer counterfeits of all these qualities and more.
Confusion and ambivalence are replaced by noon-day clarity. Helplessness is replaced by a sense of power. You feel as though the wisdom of the ages (the Jews were always bad, weren't they?) courses through your veins, as the inexorable power of historical truth imparts to your previously muddy thoughts the strength of steel.
In short, the anti-Semitism drug has the power to transform a loser into a winner a turkey into an eagle!
Scapegoat
Actually, it doesn't have to be the Jews but as we'll see, they do make the best scapegoats. Still, any person or group can serve the basic purpose of a scapegoat someone on whom we can project guilt and blame.
Reality check: May I respectfully remind us all that we, as human beings, are spiritual creatures, held to a high standard by our Creator, and that our inevitable and frequent failures to think and act nobly gain for us guilt and inner conflict?
To put it even more simply, we're all guilty. We're "born in sin." For you cynics, that's not just some traditional, Christian-type phrase for you to tolerate. It's spiritual shorthand for the undeniable fact that we exist, even the best of us, somewhat apart from God. And that the contrast in our souls between what we are and what we should be, and could be, beckons to us as a guilty conscience. That's our condition and it's what pulls us toward paradise, if we're sensible. From our limited perspective, it's literally how we experience God. And as we face ourselves and repent truly and change effortlessly, we're slowly transformed from wooden Pinocchios into real live children of God.
But.
What about those who don't want to face reality, who don't want to have to behold their own failings, weaknesses and disobedience? Well, there's a tempting smorgasbord of options available to us to facilitate our escape from basic truth at least for a time. Drugs, alcohol, sex, music, entertainment there are many escapes, but one of the most powerful and dangerous, far more addicting than any drug, is blaming and resenting others for our problems, or scapegoating.
The interesting thing about blaming a specific race or ethnic group is that it completely absolves us from any possible guilt.
Think of it this way: If evil can come into this world through our own ignorance, lack of character or corruption, then there's a chance, somewhere along the way, that we could wake up and realize we're responsible for our own problems! We might just realize that we share some of the same evil propensities we are condemning in others! But if evil is racial BINGO we're home free, saved, automatically deserving of all the rewards heaven has to offer.
That's racism's big appeal to the sick mind. It's so darn safe and easy. If you're a white who hates blacks or a black who hates whites there's just no chance that you're accidentally going to realize you're part of the problem, since the problem exists only in the other, "evil" race.
Why the Jews?
Although any group has scapegoat potential, there's something special about the Jews.
"One of the most prominent and credible theories" of anti-Semitism, writes author and psychoanalyst Phyllis Chesler in her new book, "The New Anti-Semitism," "is that the Jew is the scapegoat of the world." She explains:
A scapegoat was an animal whom God instructed the Jewish high priest to sacrifice publicly to atone for the sins of the Jews (and only the Jews) and for the high priest's own sins. In the Torah, the offering was literally two goats, never a human being. One goat was a burnt offering, the second was thrown from a cliff.
The concept of scapegoating may also be understood in more secular and psychological terms. For example, when a man is angry at his boss, or at authority in general, but can't afford to express this anger directly lest he lose his job or his life, he might redirect his rage and frustration at his child or wife, who cannot hurt him and, as a vulnerable dependent, is a safe and ever-dependable target. Verbally abusing or beating his wife will not change his work conditions or the humiliation he may feel at work, but it may make him feel powerful over someone. Perhaps he has also internalized his boss's withering ways and when he visits such abuse on a wife or child, he may feel that here at least he is the boss.
But what, asks Chesler, "if the problem one faces goes far beyond one's own working conditions and includes collective disasters such as plagues, earthquakes, sterility, and famine? Whom can an afflicted society then blame?" She recalls the European Catholic Church's notorious executions of multitudes of women accused of witchcraft "that is," she writes, "of causing male impotence, miscarriages, abortions, crop failures, plagues, and other deeds that cannot be attributed to a loving, Christian God but only to Satan and to his most intimate mortal companion, Woman."
However, noting that the women thus accused of witchcraft "belonged to the same ethnic and national groups that denounced them and that then laid claim to their land and possessions," Chesler says the art of scapegoating was refined still further when later, in Spain and Portugal, "the Inquisition was carried out not against women but against Jews."
Analyzing the advantages of targeting a separate group, as opposed to one's own group, Chesler writes:
From a psychological point of view, if a man or many men if entire nations are suffering from poverty, disease, violence, and other conditions over which most individuals are helpless, perhaps the intimate family scapegoats women, children, servants, and slaves, who may also be suffering cannot be targeted. Perhaps the more reliable scapegoat is not part of oneself, but a stranger, an outsider, not one's own wife or child. Nothing unites people who are otherwise and at all times divided as well as having a common enemy to scapegoat ...
Perhaps someone of a different race or religion might better serve as a scapegoat, the one who must suffer and atone for the people's sins. Perhaps perpetual evil may be perpetually embodied by one group in particular, a group that seems to exist everywhere but does not really fit in or belong. A group that resists fitting in, rejects belonging, prefers its own ways, its own kind; an indigenous, nomadic group secretive, strange, "different," but worldly wise and well-traveled. Smart. Monied. Filled with ideas. Who better than the Jews?
David and Goliath
The imminent release of Mel Gibson's movie "The Passion," and the controversy surrounding it, brings to center stage the age-old issue of "the Jews" being responsible for the death of Jesus. That such an idea ever took hold is, in itself, incredible. Jesus Himself was a Jew and most of His followers were Jews. So how is it that we behold a group of Jews, some of whom follow their Jewish leader, Jesus, while others reject Him and a few call for His death, and yet we say "the Jews" of that time killed Jesus? Hey, "the Jews" of that time also believed in Jesus, followed him faithfully, wept at his feet at the cross, spread His message boldly afterward and suffered persecution and martyrdom unto death for His sake!
It was the Judean authorities who felt threatened by Jesus since His revolutionary message so powerfully resonated in the hearts and minds of the people. So they did what corrupt rulers always do they plotted to get rid of the threat to their authority.
So supremely illogical and spiritually disastrous is blaming all Jews for the death of Jesus that it suggests this particular delusion is a special "pet" lie of the author of all lies, one satanically infused with an extra dose of hypnotic "pull" on the unsuspecting human mind.
Looking at this same "super-lie" from another angle, let's focus on contemporary Israel: Just as the Jew is the scapegoat of the world's people, Israel is the scapegoat of the world's nations. It always seems to be wrong. No matter who attacked Israel first, no matter how great the loss of innocent life and limb, no matter how real the threat of annihilation when Israel fights back to defend its right to exist, it is widely hated and condemned as a pariah nation.
This is beyond ignorant, beyond inconsistent, beyond illogical. It's akin to a spiritual trance state to blame a civilized, conscience-driven people for defending themselves a people with no other home on earth, living in a tiny desert nation the size of New Jersey, one which no one else wanted. (That's right, there was no huge Islamic hue and cry for "Jerusalem! Al-Aqsa!" before the modern Jewish state was established in 1948 that widely held belief is part of the trance state.)
Today, throughout the Middle East, and increasingly in Europe and even in the U.S., virulent articles are published accusing Jews of torturing and eating children, of lying, murdering and raping their way to unjust territorial expansion. And indeed, there are people in the Mideast who are bloodthirsty, who dream of torturing innocents, who love to sacrifice children, who lie as easily as breathing, who are consumed with rage and hate, who throw acid in the faces of innocents, and who slash and rape and burn with religious zeal. But they are not the Jews. They are the radical Islamists the very people accusing the Jews of committing such atrocities.
The "big lie" repeated endlessly, as Hitler understood, indeed has power.
There is something eerily spiritual about "David" (Israel) being perceived as "Goliath" (the surrounding Arab world) and vice versa. There is something eerie about Jews, the victims of the Nazis, today being commonly and publicly compared to Nazis for defending their right to exist.
Remember the Jenin massacre of over 3,000 Palestinians, as reported by the world's press? There was no Jenin massacre of 3,000. There were targeted raids into the inner sanctum of Palestinian terror groups based in the Jenin refugee camp, during which a total of 52 not 3,000 terrorists were killed. But, we still hear about the "Jenin massacre."
Since 1948, multiple Arab nations have repeatedly attacked Israel in unprovoked wars of intended annihilation. Realizing they couldn't destroy the Jewish state through conventional war, they embarked on and spoke openly and frequently about a long-term campaign of unconventional conflict to accomplish the same ends, the total elimination of the Jewish presence in the Mideast. The campaign to establish another Arab-Muslim state ("Palestine") adjacent to Israel, the two intifadas, the signing of peace agreements only to break them, the constant terror attacks on civilians are all aimed at destroying Israel. It's no secret.
And yet, Israel and "the Jews" get the blame, not only from the Arab-Islamic Middle East, but from liberals and leftists the world over. Remember, liberal and leftists are people who traditionally support the underdog. (Israel has 0.1 percent of the Mideast land mass, while hostile Arab neighbors possess 99.9 percent of the land, not to mention all of the oil). These are people who claim to support human rights. (Israel is the Mideast's only democracy. Virtually all of the Arab countries are totalitarian police states.) These are people who oppose racism. (Israel allows Israeli Arabs to vote, to be elected to parliament, all the rights of citizenship, while the Arab-Muslim nations practice the most extreme and repugnant forms of racial and religious persecution on earth.)
But none of this matters. Leftists and liberals today, from the UK and Europe to America's college campuses as if in the grip of a bizarre trance look at tiny, democratic Israel defending itself against almost daily terror attacks, but can see only a brutal, Nazi-like "apartheid" state. They witness Palestinians dancing and celebrating in the streets on Sept. 11, 2001, they see Yasser Arafat turn down (at Clinton's Camp David) the very Palestinian state he claimed for years he wanted, they behold Palestinian parents, teachers and clerics molding innocent children into murderers and terrorists. But despite this, all they can see are the long-suffering, freedom-loving Palestinian people and their noble but beleaguered leadership.
"Allah will torture them"
Perhaps the primary reason for the medieval state of much of the Arab-Muslim Middle East not to mention the frightening level of Islamist radicalization now metastasizing there is the overwhelming obsession with blaming and hating Jews, Israel and, more recently, America and the West.
Many sermons, rather than teaching and exemplifying love of God and neighbor, simply spew raw hatred. Here's what a leading cleric, the former acting rector of the Islamic University in Gaza, Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabita, said not too long ago in a typical sermon:
O brother believers, the criminals, the terrorists are the Jews, who have butchered our children, orphaned them, widowed our women and desecrated our holy places and sacred sites. They are the terrorists. They are the ones who must be butchered and killed, as Allah the Almighty said: "Fight them: Allah will torture them at your hands, and will humiliate them and will help you to overcome them, and will relieve the minds of the believers ..."
To repeat, this is a sermon, delivered in a house of worship:
Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them and those who stand by them they are all in one trench, against the Arabs and the Muslims because they established Israel here, in the beating heart of the Arab world, in Palestine.
How will such rage and delusion ever give way to reason and peace? Pointing to an inspired answer, former Libyan Prime Minister Abd Al-Hamid Al-Bakkoush wrote an astonishingly honest article last year in the London-based Arabic-language daily Al-Hayat, in which he revealed what's really wrong with the Arab-Muslim world today:
While the nations of Western civilization ... deal with their problems one by one, and while we monitor their ceaseless efforts to come up with solutions and remove the obstacles blocking their progress while unhesitatingly exposing their flaws and problems we, [always], continue to distort our problems and hide our flaws ...
Furthermore, we continue to convince ourselves that those who progress are merely nations full of problems and flaws. We have always acted as if our problems and flaws do not exist as long as we can hide them behind the smokescreen of memories of [ancient Arab-Islamic] civilization with its lofty values, of which all that remains are sermons in the mosques and media products ...
We have become a nation that celebrates helplessness, exults in victory in time of defeat, marks achievements at times of failure, and takes pride in its ability to hide its defects by arguing perfection ...
A nation that does not expose its flaws to itself, as those who progress do, will never be able to deal with its ills. Hiding failures and presenting them as achievements, [and] denying defeats and presenting them as victories, will only lead us to more hardship and disaster.
Likewise, a nation that ... gives precedence to preoccupation with the "other" will reap only crises. ... Have we not been quarrelling with Israel for 50 years or more, with burning tongues and throats of fire? [We do this] without considering that what we are doing is, in effect, [preoccupation] with the "other," and that it would be better for us to persevere in, first of all, dealing with our [own] flaws and defects ...
That brings us back full-circle to the main point: Sincere, humble people are willing to see their own flaws and defects, and that honest introspection inoculates them against falling to the seduction of anti-Semitism or any other blame game. In contrast, prideful egotists hate seeing their own faults and need a scapegoat on whom to blame their misery. Power-hungry leaders know how to exploit that weakness big-time.
And isn't this what we've seen all through history, even today? "Leaders" and "authorities" telling the confused, angry, dysfunctional masses that their miserable, twisted lives are not really their own fault, but are the fault of the Jews, or blacks, or whites, or the rich, or whatever? Hitler turned the Germans' misery into perceived nobility by focusing on the Jews. And this transference, this blame-game this scapegoating has been the modus operandi of power-hungry demagogues before and since.
Divine paradox
When all is said and done, the reason for this eerie reversal of reality-perception when it comes to Jews, I believe, is that the Jews have a special spiritual mantle on them: They were chosen by the Creator Himself thousands of years ago to play a special role in the development of civilization.
And the fact is, lots of people have a serious problem with this. They envy Jews for having been chosen by God, or they rewrite history to deny God's covenant with the Jews, or they claim today's Jews aren't really Jews (descendents of ancient Israelites), or they imagine that God has withdrawn that blessing from the Jews and conferred it instead on them, the enviers. This is the supreme folly of "replacement theology."
Indeed, pride and envy hold sway in much of the world's population, being at the core of man's lower nature from the beginning even before the beginning, so to speak, if you include Lucifer, the No. 1 angel, who envied God and rebelled against Him. Cain envied Abel and killed him, Ishmael envied Isaac, Joseph's brothers envied and plotted to kill him, selling him into slavery.
The Jews have long been envied for the favor God has shown them.
The Jews are a divine paradox, one of many: For instance, it's a divine paradox that God knows what's going to happen to each of us before we're born, and yet we have free will. It's a paradox that God is love, and yet God allows evil to exist, to serve a certain purpose.
In the same way, it's a paradox that the Jews, although as a whole they rejected Jesus as being the promised Messiah, are nevertheless still chosen by God as a special people, with a special blessing as well as a special burden.
And it's a divine paradox that though the Jews are God's chosen people, they are not any better nor any worse than others. God chooses whom He will use to suit His purpose. He uses kings and shepherds, ordinary and extraordinary people.
And since His Kingdom is open freely to all, what difference does it make, anyway?
A final question for those so-called Christians who are tempted to blame the Jews for Christ's death, or to condemn or dismiss them for not accepting Jesus as the prophesied Messiah:
Are you going to Heaven?
Yes?
Do you deserve to go to Heaven?
No, you say? "All fall short of the glory of God"? But by God's grace alone, you say, through Christ, you receive the fullness of the Father's blessings?
Very well. But if God can be gracious to you and give you blessings you don't really deserve or understand, why can He not do likewise with the Jews, for His own reasons reasons as yet unbeknownst to you?
David Kupelian is vice president and managing editor of WorldNetDaily.com and Whistleblower magazine.
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Holocaust Part 3: Its Foundation In Christian AntiSemitism By Michael Hakeem, Ph.D.
The clergy's claim that atheism accounts for the evils of Communist Russia has been shown to be insupportable. Are the clergy ready to argue that the Nazi horrors could occur only because Germany was permeated with atheism? In fact, pre-Nazi Germany was permeated with Christianity. It is no exaggeration to say it was one of the most Christian nations in the world, if judged by the usual indexes. Just a couple of decades before Hitler started his ascent to power, 90 to 95 per cent of Germans were members of Christian churches; the Protestant church press was flourishing, publishing some 600 independent church papers with a circulation of 17,000,000; theology students numbered 5,500; and the presence of some internationally famous theologians kept interest in religious concerns prominent. Nazism arose in the bosom of a pervasively Christian society. More than this, the Holocaust was a product of certain Christian doctrines. If the American clergy don't know that there is an intimate relationship between the Holocaust and the Christian faith, some Nazi officials and military leaders did. A German general replied, when asked at the Nuremberg Trials, how such a thing could happen: "I am of the opinion when for years, for decades the doctrine is preached that Jews are not even human, such an outcome is inevitable." He, of course, underestimated the duration of such preachment, which, as will be seen, started with Jesus. Julian Streicher, chief Nazi ideologist of anti-Semitism and founder of Der Sturmer, the most notoriously vile anti-Semitic publication, recommended "the extermination of the people whose father is the Devil," recalling Jesus' attribution of such parentage to Jews.
Hitler, whose virulent hatred of the Jews he frequently voiced with frenzy, saw the killing of the Jews as a sacred mission: "Today, I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord [italics in the original]." In response to two bishops who questioned the Nazi race policy, Hitler said that he was only putting into effect what Christianity had preached for 2,000 years.
Hitler is wrong. Christianity does not preach that all Jews should be exterminated here on earth. What Christianity did was to invent religious anti-Semitism which sometimes spills over into massive slaughter of Jews. In addition, what Christianity preaches is that Jews, and all others who do not believe in it, should, after death, be punished by horrible torture and ultimate destruction, whereas believers could qualify for a life of everlasting bliss. Christianity provided a system of thought, a climate of opinion, that made possible the dehumanization of whole categories of people, particularly the Jews. The Nazis referred to the Jews as devil, bacilli, vermin, worms, rats with human faces, filth, insects that lived in the darkness, and worse. Before Nazism, German literature contained vicious degradation of the Jews.
That is the bedrock Hitler could exploit with impunity. A historian, Victoria Barnett, writes: "The very fact that the persecution of the Jewish people could reach genocidal proportions, without massive outcry from their fellow citizens and with participation of the thousands of Germans who worked in the camps, reveals how deeply anti-Semitism was embedded in the hearts and minds of ordinary Germans." It was so deeply embedded in the German psyche that it was possible to hear anti-Jewish diatribes from Christian pulpits, the court preacher in Berlin in the Weimar period was a rabid anti-Semite, there existed pre-Nazi anti-Semitic political parties, and a League was formed to promote hatred of Jews. Professor George L. Mosse, a Professor of History at the University of Wisconsin and one of the most expert, probing, and prolific students of Nazism, says: "German anti-Semitism is a part of German intellectual history. It does not stand outside it." Mosse quotes Nietzsche: "I have never yet met a German who was favorably inclined to the Jews."
A combination of Christian anti-Semitism, racist theories, and Germanic super-nationalistic ethnocentrism reached its zenith in the Nazi era, forming a mixture of lethal volatility that exploded in the flames of the Holocaust. Its foundation was Christian anti-Semitism, in the view of some scholars, Professor Yehuda Bauer's being representative: "Without Christian, or traditional anti-Judaism, modern nationalistic and racial antisemitism would have been impossible."
Basic to an understanding of it all is the inherent intolerance of Christianity, a truth noted by the Encyclopedia Britannica:
"Christianity from its beginning, tended toward intolerance that was rooted in its religious self-consciousness." It is possible to cite many authorities who confirm that intolerance of Jews is part and parcel of Christianity. Professor Rosemary Radford Ruether can represent them all: "Is it possible to purge Christianity of anti-Judaism without at the same time pulling up Christian faith? Is it possible to say 'Jesus is Messiah' without, implicitly or explicitly, saying at the same time 'and the Jew is damned' "?
Many students of the subject see the Holocaust and Christian ideology as twins. As one researcher notes: "Almost without exception, general histories of National Socialism and especially of the Nazi policies concerning the 'Jewish question' begin with the story of nineteenth-century anti-Semitism. Conversely, most works on anti-Semitism in pre-Nazi Germany see in it a prelude to the Holocaust." Barnett provides a specific example: "The Holocaust . . . posed a direct challenge to Christians throughout the world. They were confronted with the consequences of the anti-Semitism that had been supported by Christian churches for centuries, and which made the Holocaust possible." It all began with Jesus. Bishop John Shelby Spong indicts him: "Jesus is . . . depicted, especially in the Book of John, as being guilty of what we today would surely call antisemitism. Indeed, the hatred of the Jews that has been the dark underside of Christianity for two thousand years is fed by the pejorative attitudes found in the Christian Scriptures and even in the supposed words of Jesus. It has led to pogroms, ghettos, segregated housing and clubs, defaced synagogues, Krystallnacht, and Dachau."
Through the ages, the Gospels have furnished abundant ammunition to the anti-Semites. Professor Alan Davies, writing in Eliade's sixteen-volume Encyclopedia of Religion, comments: "Today, even Christian scholars generally concede that the Gospels and other sections of the New Testament are colored in some measure by hostility toward the Jewish antagonists of the apostolic church in the troubled milieu of the first and second centuries." He goes on to give details of the material in each of the Gospels that has gone into the structure of anti-Semitism. He points to the Gospel of John as an extreme example of Jew-baiting: "So negative and intense is the Johannine image that John has sometimes been regarded as the 'father of anti-Semitism.'" But that infamy is pinned on the Apostle Paul by Professor Hyam Maccoby: "If Paul was the creator of the Christian myth, he was also the creator of anti-Semitism which has been inseparable from that myth."
The Church Fathers--Chrysostom, Ambrose, Jerome, Tertullian, Cyprian, Ephrem, Augustine, for example--topmost Christians all, fashioned an image of the Jews concocted of superhuman malevolence, hopeless totality of spiritual blindness, and every nameable evil. Look at this tiny sample of Chrysostom's thunder, taken from eight sermons devoted to the same theme: The Jews "are inveterate murderers, destroyers, men possessed by the devil . . . debauchery and drunkenness have given them the manners of pigs and lusty goats. They know only one thing, to satisfy their gullets, get drunk, to kill and maim one another. They murder their offspring and immolate them to the devil . . . .The Jewish disease must be guarded against. The Christian's duty is to hate the Jews."
This image of the Jews spun by these Christ-possessed notables of the early Church has been transmitted throughout the Western world through theological works, sermons, the mystery and Passion plays, folklore, and the arts.
The Middle Ages, spanning several hundred years, was a very bad time for Jews. The Popes were ruthless in their condemnation of them, treated them with extraordinary contempt, stimulated hatred toward them, and were instrumental in getting them slaughtered. Professor Raul Hilberg, in his encyclopedic research, The Destruction of the European Jews, presents two parallel columns, one setting down indignities, disadvantages, deprivations, prohibitions, restrictions, special penalties, and stigmatizing garb and insignia imposed on the Jews by the Catholic Church in Medieval times and the other listing their counterparts enacted by the Nazi regime.
What did the Christians have against the Jews? Professor Friedrich Heer reports that blame for everything deemed evil, from aborted human or animal birth to the plague, was laid at the door of the Jews in the Middle Ages. But above all, Christians charge the Jews with being "Christ-killers." Did the Jews kill Christ? Ignorance leads to an unhesitating affirmative response. Yet the Gospels themselves are confused and contradictory about the crucifixion, Mark and Matthew pinning it on the Romans, Luke and John on the Jews. Historians say crucifixion was never a Jewish method of execution but a Roman one. Many scholars make the case for the Romans' execution of Jesus as a political rebel.
Howard Teeple, after a painstakingly detailed analysis in his recent, impressive volume, How Did Christianity Really Begin?, concludes: "Who was responsible for Jesus' death, Jews or Romans? Neither Jews as a whole nor Romans as a whole, but the Sadducean priests, the Sanhedrin, Judas, and Pilate." Then there are those scholars who insist that there existed no historical Jesus to be executed.
Think of the millions of Jews put to death by Christians unable to reason logicalloy about their beliefs. If they could reason correctly, they would have nothing but boundless gratitude for the Jews, had they indeed crucified Jesus. Isn't it at the core of Christian doctrine that it was foreordained that Christ was to be put to death? To talk like Christians do, didn't God send his son here, for that express purpose? If salvation was to come into being, wouldn't someone have had to crucify Jesus?
Part 4 will discuss the Christian churches, which predominantly supported Nazism and kept silent about the "Final Solution." Martin Luther will be the starting point for reasons to be explained.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Hakeem, Ph.D. is Professor Emeritus of Sociology at the University of Wisconsin--Madison.
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Gibson apologizes for behavior 'I disgraced myself,' star says after 'horrific relapse' and arrest
Sunday, July 30, 2006 Posted: 0258 GMT (1058 HKT)
LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Actor and director Mel Gibson issued a statement on Saturday, apologizing to deputies for his "belligerent behavior" when he was arrested on suspicion of DUI in Malibu the day before.
Gibson said that he has "battled the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse," according to the statement.
Gibson, 50, was pulled over Friday on the scenic Pacific Coast Highway after "deputies were alerted by their radar that his speed was above the posted limit," according to a news release from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. (Watch how the arrest casts a different spotlight on Gibson -- 1:28)
When officers approached Gibson they smelled alcohol on his breath, and a Breathalyzer test showed that his blood-alcohol content was 0.12, the sheriff's department release said. The California legal limit is 0.08.
An entertainment news Web site, TMZ.com, alleges in a report posted Saturday that Gibson launched into a profanity-laced tirade at the time of his arrest, hurling anti-Semitic and sexist statements at authorities. The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office has not confirmed that report.
After being taken into custody, Gibson posted $5,000 bond for his release, said sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore.
The police did not charge him with driving under the influence because it's the district attorney's duty to decide if the arrest merits charges.
In his statement, Gibson acknowledges that he had been drinking Thursday night and that "I did a number of things that were very wrong and for which I am ashamed. I drove a car when I should not have. ... I feel fortunate that I was apprehended before I caused injury to any other person." (Read the full statement)
"I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable," the statement said. "I am deeply ashamed of everything I said."
He added: "Also, I take this opportunity to apologize to the deputies involved for my belligerent behavior. They have always been there for me in my community and indeed probably saved me from myself. I disgraced myself and my family with my behavior and for that I am truly sorry."
Gibson further said he has long battled alcoholism, and "I apologize for any behavior unbecoming of me in my inebriated state and have already taken necessary steps to ensure my return to health."
Gibson, who acted in the "Lethal Weapon" and "Mad Max" movie series, won an Oscar for directing 1995's Oscar-winning best picture "Braveheart."
He reportedly financed the controversial movie "The Passion of the Christ" (2004), which he also directed, with $25 million of his own money.
The film made $370 million at the domestic box office and ranks No. 10 on the all-time box office list. "The Passion of the Christ" was nominated for three Academy Awards.
Gibson's latest movie, "Apocalypto," set in the Mayan civilization of several centuries ago, is due in December.
CNN's Brooke Anderson and Albert Lewitinn contributed to this report.
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I'm a really big fan of Mel Gibson, and I was surprised to find out that he is an alcoholic and made anti-semitic remarks. (Wonder what he said exactly anyway?
I know there was a big backlash when the Passion came out because the way he depicted the Jews, and that his dad never believed in the Holocaust. Sad, considering so many Jews died in the Holocaust.
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I liked him too, but he is just another star, with an overinflated ego, don't cha know?
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I wonder at his comments, "Jews are responsible for all the wars in the history of the world."
Sorry, can't see it, not even close to seeing it. I can't see how people even can make that case. Are people out there so convinced by their bigotry that they have talked themselves into blaming us for all the ills in the history of the world? It's unconceivable that people actually have those thoughts.
Mel spews Nazi propagdanda without even being aware of where it is coming from.
Or perhaps he is aware of it and genuinely believes that himself. After all, his father doesn't even believe that the Holocaust happened and Mel has never said anything to refute him.
Mel actually was hired two years ago to be an executive producer on a Holocaust project (UI understand the project suggest that there actually was a Holocaust). He was so inspired by the topic that, two years later, a script has yet to be produced and he was dismissed from the project.
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Sarah, George Bush has made some bad comments in the past towards Jews as well. I wouldn't call him an anti-Semite, but in 1994, during a debate, he was asked if Jews could go to heaven and he answered, "no." I think it's a bit self-serving to say that, just because people don't share the same religion you do, they're not going to heaven.
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George Bush is NOT a friend of the Jewish people. His family is too tied to the Arabs in the oil business to be completely behind Israel. What's happening in the Middle East right now is not doing Israel any favors, only alienating it.
Not to mention, his whole family has a history of being linked with anti-Semitic behavior:
quote:The Bushes and the Jews Explaining the president's philo-Semitism. By Anne E. Kornblut
Updated Wednesday, April 17, 2002, at 3:58 PM ET George W. Bush at the Wailing WallIn 1998, George W. Bush took his first and only trip to the Holy Land. During a helicopter tourguided by none other than Ariel SharonBush was astonished to discover how tiny Israel is compared to its Arab neighbors. He later described the visit as one of the most meaningful experiences of his life. A photographer captured a striking image of Bush, in a yarmulke, standing reverently at the Wailing Wall.
The picture may be a symbol of Bush foreign policy these days, but it speaks to an even more startling truth: Bush is the first in his family of politicians to craft a pro-Jewish image. Starting with accusations that Prescott Bush was a Nazi collaborator before Pearl Harbor, the Bush dynasty has generally been viewed with suspicion and at times outright hostility by Jewish Americans. The elder President Bush outraged the Jewish community with a series of perceived insults. Before he became president, the younger Bush, who once expressed doubt about whether non-Christians could get into heaven, seemed likely to follow in the family tradition.
The charges against Sen. Prescott Bush, the grandfather of the current president, went beyond the disdain for Jews and discriminatory practices that were characteristic of New England WASP culture in his day. Prescott Bush was a director of a New York bank where rich Germans who supported the Nazis stashed millions in personal wealth. He was still a director at the bank, Union Banking Corp., when its assets were frozen under the Trading With the Enemy Act in 1941a fact that has provided endless fodder for leftists and conspiracy theorists since it came to light in the 1990s.
George Herbert Walker Bush shared the same exclusionary pedigree as his father, starting with Yale and the secret society Skull & Bones, and had extensive ties to Arabs through the oil industry as well. But most Jews did not consider him unfriendly to their interests so long as he served under Ronald Reagan. Reagan was the first Republican in 80 years to win a sizable share of the Jewish vote. There were a variety of reasons for this, but the key issue was Reagan's hard line on the defense of Israel, which he considered a crucial democratic outpost in the fight against Soviet communism. In the 1980 election, Jimmy Carter won 45 percent of the Jewish vote. Reagan won 39 percent.
That remarkable shift, however, began to be undone almost as soon as George H.W. Bush took over in 1989. Bush was a self-described pragmatist in international affairs, and in the giddy early days after the end of the Cold War, it was no longer fashionable to view the world in binary terms. As a result, many conservative ideological causesamong them Israelno longer found a champion in the White House. PThe point was made most clearly when Bush demanded, in 1991, that the Israelis stop building new settlements in Palestinian-controlled territories. Unlike previous presidents, Bush sounded serious, threatening to block millions in loan guarantees if Israel disobeyed. (Later, when his re-election was in doubt in 1992, Bush promised to press Congress for the loan guarantees unconditionally.)
Just as damaging was the elder Bush's knack for seeming as out of touch with Jewish voters as he did with everyone else. Once, during a 1991 White House press conference, Bush Sr. complained about the strength of the Jewish lobby on Capitol Hillthe implication being that "Jews work insidiously behind the scenes," as David J. Forman wrote in the Jerusalem Post. On another occasion, Bush reminded his critics that the United States gives "Israel the equivalent of $1,000 for every Israeli citizen," a remark that detractors took as an allusion to the stereotype of Jews as money-obsessed and greedy.
And then there was Secretary of State James Baker's infamous "**** the Jews" remark. In a private conversation with a colleague about Israel, Baker reportedly uttered the vulgarity, noting that Jews "didn't vote for us anyway." This was more or less trueBush got 27 percent of the Jewish vote, compared with 73 percent for Dukakis, in 1988. And thanks in part to Baker, it was even truer in 1992, when Bill Clinton got 78 percent of the Jewish vote and Bush got only 15 percentthe poorest showing by a Republican candidate since Barry Goldwater in 1964.
In 2000, as Al Gore hit the campaign trail with the first Jewish vice presidential running mate in U.S. history on his ticket, George W. Bush seemed to make only a half-hearted attempt to compete for Jewish votes. He paid the obligatory dues, speaking at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee and visiting the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles (where, after touring the sobering Holocaust exhibit, he incongruously signed the guest book, "God bless this world!"). But Bush reserved his real pitch for Arab-Americans, whom his strategists viewed as an increasingly powerful voting bloc. Repeated trips to Michigan, a swing state, gave Bush ample opportunity to meet with Arab-American leaders, heavily concentrated around Detroit. Ironically, he made a campaign pledge to examine "secret evidence" cases against foreign suspects, a matter of great concern among Arab-Americans (and one that fell by the wayside after Sept. 11).
Like his father, Bush failed during the campaign to win over neoconservative Jewish intellectualsmost notably William Kristol, who openly backed John McCain. The problem wasn't just the assumption that he shared his father's coolness toward Israel. It was also his perceived insensitivity toward Jews, as characterized by the only-Christians-in-heaven remark. Bush later joked about the uproar caused by the exchange. Asked by a reporter what he planned to tell the Israelis as he prepared to embark on his 1998 trip to the Middle East, Bush replied, obviously in jest, "Go to hell." Gore got 79 percent of the Jewish vote. Bush got only 19 percent.
But unlike his father, who never managed to repair his relationship with the Jewish community despite several attempts, Bush has only risen in the esteem of many prominent Jews since taking office. The biggest factor is probably the Sept. 11 attacks. After a brief flurry of activity to win Arab support for the war on Afghanistan, Bush began to connect America's struggle against terrorism with Israel's fight against Palestinian suicide bombers. Though he was criticized for sitting on the sidelines as the Palestinian-Israeli conflict worsened, Bush arguably took sides by dropping the standard call for the Israelis to "show restraint." After briefly responding to international pressure to demand an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank, Bush quickly backed off.
Another factor is shrewd political judgment. At pains to avoid repeating political mistakes his father made, Bush has actively courted conservatives within the Republican coalition. That includes Jewish neoconservatives such as Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, who hopes to encourage Bush to avoid another mistake of his father'sfailing to topple Saddam Hussein. It was Wolfowitz who Bush sent to address the big pro-Israel rally that took place at the Capitol on April 15.
But the biggest reason Bush has been able to win over Jews may be personal. Despite his own Skull & Bones pedigree, the president is far less WASP-ish in his tastes and manner than past generations of Bushes, making him less suspect in the eyes of some Jewish Americans. Moreover, he is openly religious in a way that conveys deep respect for religious believers of all kinds. He may even be influenced by the view of Gary Bauer and other fundamentalist Christians who believe that the Jews are biblically ordained to live in the Holy Land. And unlike his father's administration, George W. Bush's is prominently filled with members of the tribe. Most notably, the public face of the White House, spokesman Ari Fleischer, is a practicing Jew.
But whatever the impetus, Bush appears to be entirely sincere in his warmth toward the Jewish people. Since Sept. 11, he has resisted condemning his old tour guide, Ariel Sharon, as harshly as his father condemned former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir. He has also applied the "Bush Doctrine" to Israel, saying in his April 4 Rose Garden address: "Terror must be stopped. No nation can negotiate with terrorists. For there is no way to make peace with those whose only goal is death." It's hard to imagine any Bush from a previous generation taking the side of the Jews so unequivocally.
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Thank you for the information on King David, friend Ishtar. Finkelstein is known in most circles as a "Bible Minimalist." We musn't pay too much heed to those who exist seemingly only to douse the beliefs of others.
Friend Gabrielle, I am familiar with those words by Bush. I've always viewed the comments as being more thoughtless as opposed to intentionally cruel. And, of course, he also has an odd sense of humor. Then, don't we all?
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if one were to criticize the policies of european jews in such a way as to be termed anti-semitic, how is it anti-semitic if the jews in question are in no way of semitic origin?
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you are welcome Sarah, I think I have posted this before,it has just been in the last couple years I learned of such,
Scholar: Archaeology rebuffs effort to erase biblical Israel Mar 2, 2005 By Michael McCormack Baptist Press
Evidence exists William Dever, professor emeritus of Near Eastern archaeology and anthropology at the University of Arizona, underscores the archaeological evidence against revisionist scholars who discount the biblical Israel.
--Revisionist scholars in Europe are ignoring a wealth of archaeological evidence in seeking to discount and, ultimately, erase belief in the biblical Israel, noted archaeologist William Dever said at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary.
Dever described the revisionists’ propositions as: “There is no history in the Hebrew Bible. It’s all written too late to be reliable. It is all a myth. There was no real ancient or biblical Israel. There was no exodus, no Sinai, no [Hebrew] faith, no conquest of Canaan, no Israelite ethnicity.”
“In fact,” Dever said, “they have recently argued that Hebrew is not a Semitic language.”
Dever said the revisionists discount the early Hebrew state as well as King David and King Solomon and the historical prophets, and they view the stories of the Bible as social constructs of a later period. These scholars even deny the exile and the return.
“In the end, there is, in fact, nothing left,” Dever said of the revisionists’ view. “The Hebrew Bible is the greatest literary hoax ever perpetuated in history until these clever fellows figured it out 10 years ago.”
Though this postmodern movement seeks to sap the Bible of its historical significance and accuracy, Dever maintains that the archaeological evidence supports the biblical accounts of Israel and its kings. His presentation focused on structures he and other archaeologists have uncovered throughout the Holy Land that point to Solomon and the Solomonic Temple. He began with 1 Kings 9:15-16.
The biblical text records that the Egyptian pharaoh had destroyed Gezer and burned its remains. After the destruction at Gezer, the text tells that King Solomon rebuilt Gezer and started building projects at Hazor, Megiddo and Jerusalem.
This widespread fortification, Dever said, points to the centralization or statehood of Israel at this time. However, the revisionists do not even believe the Israel of this time (the 10th century before Christ) qualifies as a state.
“Now the revisionists have said Israel was too small to be a state, and they argue there were only a few thousand people in all of Israel and Judah,” he said. “In fact, archaeologists have documented a population of more than a hundred thousand. Statehood, ladies and gentlemen, is not about size. It’s about centralization and complexity.”
Both centralization and complexity, Dever demonstrated, were present in Israel during that period in history. He first offered photographs of the remains found at Hazor, a city equipped with a quadruple entryway gate, guard towers and a double wall.
“We’re talking about monumental defense works that only a king could have sponsored,” Dever said. “A bunch of Israelite farmers didn’t get together one day and say, ‘Let’s build a city gate.’
“This is not vernacular architecture. This is monumental architecture, which could only have been built with the resources that some sort of king in some sort of capital could have commanded.”
This Phoenician-style construction and fortification is not unique to Hazor. Dever offered photographs that illustrate both Megiddo and Gezer were built in the same way, with a quadruple gate, double wall and towers. Each of the sites can be dated to the reign of Solomon, he said. To counter any accusations of being biblically biased, Dever used pottery shards he found while excavating the gate at Gezer to establish a 12th century B.C. date.
“Our date does not come from a literalistic reading of the Bible,” he said. “I would date this material the same way if the Bible had never been written. We’re basing our date on ceramic typology and on textual evidence where we have it.”
Pottery from this period, Dever explained, was burnished by hand. It was not until the ninth century B.C. that pottery was burnished on a wheel. While wheel-burnished pottery has perfectly concentric circles on the surface, hand-burnished pottery does not. In this way, Dever is able to date the pottery from Gezer and Hazor to the time of Solomon.
In addition to dating these sites with ceramic typology, Dever said archaeologists have been able to date them by their levels of destruction. This is another way scholars can attribute Megiddo to Solomon.
“We indeed have a number of destructions [that occurred at Megiddo] in the late 10th century. This is important because, according to both Kings and Chronicles, five years after Solomon’s death this raid took place,” Dever said.
Egyptian chronologies report that Shishak carried out these raids in the year 925. With these Egyptian records, scholars have the date 930 B.C. for Solomon’s death, Dever said.
“So here we have a claim that the levels ... were destroyed by this pharaoh around 925,” he said. “If so, they must have been built during the lifetime and reign of Solomon.”
This avenue of evidence also runs through Gezer. Dever displayed pictures taken at Gezer during the 1984 and 1990 dig seasons that show the wall of Gezer was breached sometime in antiquity. The stones making up the gate of the wall were burned and cracked, and the limestone has been melted by fire.
“Within 20 or 30 years of its construction, it is destroyed,” Dever said.
Once again, the evidence that cements the date of this destruction is the pottery found at that level that dates to the 10th century. Dever also noted that, while archaeologists have used the Carbon 14 dating system to attribute other attacked sites to Shishak, they have no datable samples from Gezer. In the summer of 2006, Steven Ortiz, director of the NOBTS Center for Archaeological Research and former student of Dever, hopes to lead students in a new excavation at Gezer. One of his objectives is to gather Carbon 14 data from Gezer. According to Dever, there is much yet to uncover at Gezer.
“Some of my esteem for Steve is the fact that I have not asked any of my other students to follow up my work at Gezer, but I am proud the work will resume,” Dever said. “We raised the questions. Steve is going to get the answers.”
On the displaced stones at Gezer, Dever and his team also found strange distorted letters etched into their sides -- Phoenician mason marks identical to marks found on stones at Megiddo. This did more than connect Gezer with Megiddo, he said; it provided a possible tie to Solomon’s Temple.
First Kings 6:7 says neither hammer nor axe was used in building the temple. Instead, stones were shaped, sorted and marked at the quarry and brought ready-to-assemble to the Temple Mount. These two cities –- Gezer and Megiddo -– must have been built in a similar way.
“At Megiddo, the American excavators even found the chalk lines which the masons snapped to give the line they would use,” Dever said. “I remember the day I called for a plumb bob and a spirit level and checked the original peer of the gate. Three thousand years ago it was established. It is less than a centimeter out of plumb.”
As for Solomon’s Temple, the fourth building project mentioned in 1 Kings 9:15-16, no remains have been found to date. However, the biblical description of the temple coupled with remains of Phoenician temples from the same period give scholars an idea of what Solomon’s Temple looked like.
Still, revisionists ignore such evidence, Dever said.
“They will demolish any facts that don’t suit their theories,” he said.
“If the Hebrew Bible is a literary hoax,” Dever noted, “then you people here are the greatest fools. If it’s not, then we need to think of ways to make it come alive again, and I don’t know any better way than archaeology.”
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or is it that the connotation is unfair in all circumstances? is it ever worthy of it's namesake in the general sense?
afterall, aren't we revisioning our selves by being here, not to mention our minds?
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I do not know when to embark on the journey of your youth.
I do not know where to seek the traces of the Holocaust in the land full of ashes and blood.
I hear fear. I hear crying. I hear screams.
1973
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BARBARA KOBOS KAMINSKA
He Told Me Everything
A man in a dark hat resembled my grandpa Simon from an old photograph
I noticed the image of his face in the pane of the rumbling train. A tear stopped on his cheek covered with life's wrinkles.
In his palm he clasped a small pebble. Suddenly he did recall how the body heat had been leaving the freezing hand of his little daughter.
She froze to death in the winter of 1942 in a sealed cattle railcar on her way to the gas chamber, together with her sisters.
1973
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BARBARA KOBOS KAMINSKA
In the Permanence of Unforgetfulness
To my Mother
You still see her shining hair interlaced in a braid, her palm searching for a palm's warmth, her eyes trustfully looking from the face of a child's fear, when violently separated, forcibly stripped off her humanity she stepped lonely towards the termination of her life.
1979
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BARBARA KOBOS KAMINSKA
The Well-Known Journey Into The Unknown
A transport of children in cattle railcars, with but a slice of black bread and a bundle filled with the baggage of their childhood.
In this uninterrupted journey, the dawn of the rising day pushed slowly through the small barred cars window.
Then the train suddenly stopped thus causing screams of the panicked children being torn away from their mother's arms.
The well-known journey into the unknown. Where to and what for? Without mother, father, and God.
1969
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BARBARA KOBOS KAMINSKA
The Terminal Station
The transport lasted days and nights on a train packed with exhausted women clinging to their meagre bundles. Nothing but screams and wailings escaped the chock-full railcars.
The train slowly came to a stop on the middle track. It was the terminal station Auschwitz-Birkenau.
1974
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BARBARA KOBOS KAMINSKA
Where To ?
The barbed-wired fence in several rows, with no end; watch towers, search lights. Selection.
Long columns of human figures in heavy wooden shoes, grey striped tattered clothing, slowly move through the camp's deserted pathways at this grey dusk.
Only a tormenting voice is heard, sharp shouts of commands that sound like the last scream of a human being murdered. yet differently.
No one knows where to: To the right, to a barrack? To the left, to death? To the shower with water? To the shower with gas?
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Gallery returns painting looted by Nazis By Julie Mollins Sat Aug 19, 7:27 AM ET
TORONTO (Reuters) - A 20th-century French oil painting by Edouard Vuillard, looted by the Nazis during World War Two, will be returned to the family of its original owner, the National Gallery of Canada said on Friday.
This is the first time a work stolen by the Nazis has been identified and returned to its rightful owners by the Ottawa gallery.
"We are proud of the fact that we brought it up first and that the right result has been achieved," said Chief Curator David Franklin.
The National Gallery first tried to return the painting in 1997 to the family of Alfred Lindon, a French businessman of Jewish descent who died in 1948, after a curator discovered it had been stolen by the Nazis in France.
At the time, the family had no record of having owned the oil painting and refused its return.
In 2003, the gallery received definitive proof of its ownership and Denis Lindon, another family member, began proceedings to reclaim the work on behalf of a group of heirs.
The 1904 post-impressionist painting, entitled "Le Salon de Madame Aron," reworked by the artist in 1934, depicts a domestic interior.
"Vuillard is regarded as a leading French artist," Franklin said. "He's one of the giants of French art."
The painting was purchased by the National Gallery in 1956 from an art dealer in Paris.
The heirs plan to auction the painting, Franklin said. Earlier this year a Vuillard painting sold at a Sotheby's auction in London for $315,000, he said.
The gallery maintains a Web site with images of about 100 works from its permanent collection that have gaps in their proof of ownership between 1933 and 1945, the period before and during World War Two.
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Israel may 'go it alone' against Iran By HERB KEINON
Israel is carefully watching the world's reaction to Iran's continued refusal to suspend uranium enrichment, with some high-level officials arguing it is now clear that when it comes to stopping Iran, Israel "may have to go it alone," The Jerusalem Post has learned.
One senior source said on Tuesday that Iran "flipped the world the bird" by not responding positively to the Western incentive plan to stop uranium enrichment. He expressed frustration that the Russians and Chinese were already saying that Iran's offer of a "new formula" and willingness to enter "serious negotiations" was an opening to keep on talking.
"The Iranians know the world will do nothing," he said. "This is similar to the world's attempts to appease Hitler in the 1930s - they are trying to feed the beast."
He said there was a need to understand that "when push comes to shove," Israel would have to be prepared to "slow down" the Iranian nuclear threat by itself.
Having said this, he did not rule out the possibility of US military action, but said that if this were to take place, it would probably not occur until the spring or summer of 2008, a few months before President George W. Bush leaves the international stage. The US presidential elections, which Bush cannot contest because of term limits, are in November 2008.
Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, in a meeting in Paris with French Foreign Minister Phillippe Douste-Blazy Wednesday, said Iran "poses a global threat" and needed to be dealt with by the whole international community.
"The first thing they need to do is stop the enrichment of uranium," Livni said. "Everyday that passes brings the Iranians closer to building a nuclear bomb. The world can't afford a nuclear Iran." She said the Iranian reply to the Western incentives was just an attempt to "gain time."
Government officials said Israel's role at this time is to warn the world of the dangers of an Iranian nuclear potential. Some government officials are sending the message to their counterparts abroad that the firm implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 1701 on Lebanon will send a strong message to Iran - which is testing the world's resolve - that it is serious about implementing Security Council resolutions.
Meanwhile, the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) reported Wednesday that the Iranian news service Al-Borz, which it said is known to have access to sources in the Iranian government, predicted that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would announce what the news service called Iran's "nuclear birth" on the first anniversary of his government later this month.
In addition, an article Tuesday on the Teheran Times Web site, considered to be affiliated with the Foreign Ministry, implied that Iran's nuclear technology had already reached the point of no return. "If the West is seeking to impede Iran's nuclear industry, it should realize that Iran has passed this stage," the report read.
Diplomats from Europe, the US, Russia and China were poring over details of Iran's counterproposal to the Western nuclear incentives package Wednesday. Initial comments from Russia and China made clear Washington is likely to face difficulty getting at least those nations to agree to any tough sanctions against Iran.
In Paris, however, Douste-Blazy made clear that his government was sticking by the UN demand for Iran to halt enrichment by the end of this month as a precondition to further talks. Israeli officials said France has consistently advocated a firm position with Iran regarding the nuclear issue.
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"I want to point out again that France is available to negotiate, and to recall that, as we have always said... a return to the negotiating table is linked to the suspension of uranium enrichment," Douste-Blazy said.
However, Russia's Foreign Ministry said it would continue to seek a political, negotiated solution to the dispute with Iran. China appealed for dialogue, urging "constructive measures" by Iran but also urging other parties to "remain calm and patient, show flexibility, stick to the orientation of peaceful resolution and create favorable conditions for resuming talks as soon as possible."
In London, a British Foreign Office spokesman predicted "some hard discussions" when the Security Council takes up the Iran issue in the coming weeks.
Iran said Tuesday it was ready for "serious negotiations" on its nuclear program and cast the counterproposal as a new formula to resolve the crisis with the West. But a semiofficial news agency said the government was unwilling to abandon uranium enrichment.
The world powers, the five permanent UN Security Council members plus Germany, have given Iran until August 31 to accept the incentives package.
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For your anti-semitic entertainment, the titles of topics against the Jews at the Liberty forum:
quote:Thank God! My Savior Was Not A Jew! BinkyClowner 179 23 08/30/06 08:24 PM For Fear of the Jews ( Pages 1 2 all ) ORRAVEN 561 35 08/27/06 03:26 PM The Wicked Son ( Pages 1 2 all ) RACHEL1958 166 25 08/27/06 08:20 AM The Eternal Jew Fenelon 263 15 08/27/06 02:04 AM Honor First - The Liberation of Lebanon comedian 109 7 08/26/06 10:54 PM Jewish Dominance in the Porn Industry ( Pages 1 2 3 4 all ) Eichmann 937 88 08/22/06 07:32 PM VIDEO -- Secret Rulers of the World: David Icke, the Lizards, and the Jews plummz 256 7 08/21/06 05:37 AM Rabbinic Council Says Dead Lebanon Kids Not Innocent trulyneutral 183 3 08/21/06 05:05 AM Press Release: The Cedars of Lebanon Weep is now online. stevenraker 100 0 08/19/06 07:46 PM A Conversation on www.algor.org valfather 135 1 08/19/06 10:44 AM The Captives of Judah Eichmann 183 15 08/18/06 01:08 PM Prove It! ( Pages 1 2 all ) graybeard 524 30 08/13/06 09:53 PM Norway up in arms after author writes Israel lost right to exist! comedian 215 4 08/12/06 05:42 PM Isreali ambassador caught lying through his teeth Torquemada 124 2 08/12/06 01:16 PM YouTube: Jews Argue With Jew Over Zionism In NYC - Gotta Love It Mind_Virus 371 21 08/12/06 11:42 AM Report: US sailor spied for Israel Torquemada 143 4 08/10/06 06:45 PM
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Hi Sarah I have to say it was quite distressing to see these links.
I hope there is a positive solution that comes to this problem sometime soon. I'm trying over there myself to inject some balance, I think I'm making some positive breakthroughs I think. I hope. Its a real upside down world.
I noticed your verse I found this one take heart.
Amos 9 11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
But through a revelatory planetary worldwide revealing experience where all error will be banished and the covenant of God/David will be fulfilled forever with all his people.
I have no doubt about that considering the journey we are personally on. I think Eden is very much part of it, in the fulfilment of it.
I reckon this is a real Melchizedek operation and is of the Sevenfold truth and I have real confidence in that, however I feel this truth is an open opportunity for all man who hails from all religion to partake in this. Its not exclusive but the ancient covenants and promises of God will be fulfilled. Alright!
I feel the spirit of the fulfilment of the covenants will be fulfilled in the Spirit of Jesus, In that spirit of love containing truth, beauty and goodness. I feel the opportunities will be offered in that spirit of the high priest of the Father, The God of family and of Love for one another which is ultimate commandment of spiritual brotherhood of mankind which has no boundaries.
I hope you didn't mind that last part.
Gee Sarah I just noticed the Chapter and verse of the above. Chapter 9 verse 11 Amos 9:11....911...September 11, in that day.
Ok, If I look into it further, the 10 week in the seventh part found in Enoch equates to Sept 11 from the 4th July... 70 days?? Also connects with Ezras 70 days. On the run.
Fair dinkum Sarah, I just noticed that. That was a time/space experience of compulsion from within of feeling and realising something after the compulsion or action that connects with the hypothesis of the time frame thread that I'm following.
From the Enoch prospective. In the nine week the earth is set for destruction. In other words maybe this process is now irreversible, like in the process....Perhaps and whatever mans thinks it makes no difference as the process wont stop. Perhaps we have to see what occurs perhaps in that day.
I'm walking in faith. Maybe God knows the response already and is not waiting any longer and since the paths have been revealed for sometime he knows the response ..perhaps! Maybe I'm trying to extract to much but when you combine all theme of the messages of all the relevant scripts in time process it paints a clear picture and is numerically consistent with the overall message and time.
Ok Im going to look into it further in the scripts and share what I see and then people can make up there own minds up.
The following Enoch extract is out of this now mind you all this is based on personal experience it could right or wrong. I do this in the name of truth discovery. Now all this is based on a 4th July proclamation that was made about a test what I thought at the time was a 40 days test but through discovery shaped into the following scenario. So 70 days after 4th July onwards, 10 weeks, falls on September 11th Made in compulsion on 4th July in the first week, 7th part, 7th month in the first week. In the moment thing and then I started discover all of this in greater detail along the journey in time.
So here is Enoch when he was born or when the seal was broken and the process was discovered.
Section V. XCI-CIV (i.e. XCII, XCI. 1-1O, 18-19, XCIII. 1-1O, XCI. 12-17, XCIV-CIV.). A Book of Exhortation and Promised Blessing for the Righteous and of Malediction and Woe for the Sinners.
[Chapter 92] 3 And Enoch began to recount from the books and said: ' I was born the seventh in the first week, While judgement and righteousness still endured.
(He was born, the process began, beforehand the information revealed, discovered. recount from the books, our direct experience.
ok thats when it started, if we go to the 10 week in the Seventh part, I think the 7th day. Sept 11th we again see the message of sme type as in Amos as in first above.
Here is Enoch
15 And after this, in the tenth week in the seventh part, There shall be the great eternal judgement, In which He will execute vengeance amongst the angels.
(The end in the Tenth week in the Seventh part or the Sevenfold part. Falls on September 11th
16 And the first heaven shall depart and pass away, And a new heaven shall appear, And all the powers of the heavens shall give sevenfold light.
17 And after that there will be many weeks without number for ever, And all shall be in goodness and righteousness, And sin shall no more be mentioned for ever.
and then you have the Isaiah connection
Isaiah 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
I'm sure its the same day as in Amos
and of course you have the description on what happened in that day in the past.
25 And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall. (reference to cities or is this a reference to 911, the towers.)
and we know the scribes who did that.
I can show you if you want. But there is enough food for thought.
I hope there is some good parallels there.
so if I combine all the "in the/that days" of all these scripts alone here is you have.
Amos 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; (looking into the future.)
Isaiah30:26 in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. (looking into the future.)
Isaiah30:25 in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall. (reflecting in the past.) (time/space)
Maybe there is a few more that relates to this.
Note that "in that day " in Amos we are looking to future. But then in Isaiah 30:26 and 25 like Amos are looking to the future as indicated by the use of "In the day". At the same time in pervious verse we are looking to the past reflecting on the Towers that fell.
and then in Amos 9:11 last part, the process.
Amos 9:11(verse extract) and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old: (The Promise)
I would suggest we are in the time space moment of clam before the storm.
I hope it all helps.
Habakkuk 2 11 For the stone shall cry out of the wall, and the beam out of the timber shall answer it.
and
Zephaniah 3 11 In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain.
Im going through the 9:11 scripts and the verse 11 of all chapters of the Bible to see if I can find clues.
Looking down the track and reading all the Chapter 11 verse 11 in all the books is quite outstanding and is a definate path to the clue. Its seams to be a great study.
Here is another "in that day"
Zechariah 2 11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.
and in the next chapter another "in that day"
Zechariah 3 10 (No verse 11) In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree (tree of life)
and
Isaiah 22 9 Ye have seen also the breaches of the city of David, that they are many: and ye gathered together the waters of the lower pool. 10 And ye have numbered the houses of Jerusalem, and the houses have ye broken down to fortify the wall.
11 Ye made also a ditch between the two walls for the water of the old pool: but ye have not looked unto the maker thereof, neither had respect unto him that fashioned it long ago.
12 And in that day did the Lord GOD of hosts call to weeping, and to mourning, and to baldness, and to girding with sackcloth:
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Hi here is a link I did just focusing on the verse 11 in each of chapters in Isaiah and Zechariah. I suppose its reading the bible sideways in a 3 dimensional way. The best thing I think is to read the verse in context between verses 9 and 11 and beyond to get a better prospective.
It quite a fascinating thing reading the bible sideways and I've highlighted in dark red most of the verse 11's and some others I found interesting. Mind you this can be applied to all the books with verses 9 and 11. Its worth experimenting with, to see if there is a consistent message for today?? Its all seems very consistent, well in my view.
Its a 3d way of reading the bible I suppose following the particular verses throughout each chapter and book and you can read vertical, up and down in context and in a sideways fashion.
I suppose you could go deep in another way for example every 7th verse in every 7th book in every seventh chapter and see what message it may behold.
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I found those links at the Liberty Forum pretty distressng myself, Sarah. I don't understand the hatred they have for us, nor why anti-semitism is such a part of so many people's upbringing.
Nice work, sevens. More people should look for ways to breech the gulf between religions, not continue to try and divide us.
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Thank you for all your fine work, friend sevens. No, I most certainly do not mind references to Jesus Christ. My best friend is a Christian, we grew up together, and she respects my religion in the same manner that I respect hers. Would that all people of different faiths could achieve the same understanding.
Yes, the Liberty forum is ugly. So you've been there. Did you post anything? If so, what manner of response did you get?
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I am bothered by the term Anti-Semite. Semites were originally classed as a group of people who descended from Shem, one of the three sons of Noah. The descendents of Ham were called Hamites and Hamitic was used to describe the languages of Ethiopia which are actually Semitic languages as far as language classification goes. The third son, Jeph something or other was used to describe the northern Europeans. In a biblical context, these groups of people to whom the same language and tribe were ascribed were assumed to have originated in the Fertile Crescent but in fact, it was just an explanation developed at the time to give meaning to the origin of peoples at that time.
The archaeological record offers interesting clues. Proto-semitic people were actually thought to have originated in the Sahara back when it was a productive land of forest and savannahs. With glacial retreat, and global warming, typical continental weather patters developed within North Africa resulting in desertification and a growing area we now know as the Sahara. What was once an area that supported heavy human populations could no longer sparking a great exodus. Many tribes moved north into Iberia, France and the British Isles bringing with the their red beaker and dolmen cultures. Other tribes adapted and remained like the Tuaregs and Berbers. Still others moved east settling and perhaps displacing others in the Nile Valley and continuing north east penetrating as far as the Arabian Peninsula and into the Fertile Crescent.
While subject to all manner of invasions and migrations from others speaking unrelated Turkic, Indo-European or even the local but unrelated language of Sumer, it was the Semitic roots of the language of these original Saharan migrants and peoples that remain.
And so modern day Arabic is very, very close to Hebrew given that Hebrew is very much a revived ancient language. Farsi has Semitic elements as well as strong Indo-European roots but the Persians like to believe, and with good reason, that they are distinct from both the Arabs and the Turks.
But it is the people of Palestine, once the Phoenicians, the Arab speakers of Syria, Egpyt, Iraq and the Arabian Penninsula and the Hebrew speaking Israelis who are by both genetic and linguistic definitions, cousins to each other. They are definitely all Semitic people.
So to say that once is anti-Semitic, technically, does not mean that you are against Jews. It means that you are against all Semitic peoples.
It is not unlike someone claiming to be anti-American unintentionally slamming the Canadians and Mexicans who occupy the majority of the northern continents land mass.
I find that a broader global and temporal approach adds more perspective to this issue.
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I hope you're well, Yes I checked out the liberty forum, I didn't last long there as its pretty ugly and full of hate. I don't last long on those forums.
However I'm thinking of a post. But I think I'm stretched for time to get involved in another forum. Since being on the other Anyway forum I've had to modify myself just to stay there. As a part of my research I've been looking into the Quran to see if I could find commonalities.
I'm quite impressed of how many parallels there are to the scenario. I must say its been a real eye opener to see parallel truths but I could never understand the division between these religious family, Notably Christian and Islam.
As you know I read the Urantia Book and use it a guide So I did a word search on Islam to see if I could find some extra knowledge that could define the problem of why there this division today. I was surprised with what I found.
Here is an excerpt from one of the links in the main link.
The following really says it all.
The many religions of Urantia are all good to the extent that they bring man to God and bring the realization of the Father to man. It is a fallacy for any group of religionists to conceive of their creed as The Truth; such attitudes bespeak more of theological arrogance than of certainty of faith.
There is not a Urantia religion that could not profitably study and assimilate the best of the truths contained in every other faith, for all contain truth.
Religionists would do better to borrow the best in their neighbours' living spiritual faith rather than to denounce the worst in their lingering superstitions and outworn rituals.
Apparently a lot of the problems that we have today between both religion stem out of a division of Paul thoughts on the trinity and the thoughts of Abner who was in charge of the Philadelphian church which was independent from Jerusalem. Abner was in contact with the Jesus the whole time but after his death when things became more defined he found it hard to accept the Pauline idea of the Trinity concept. I think Abner took this to personally and isolated himself for the rest of his life and perpetuated his own church that ran by the Jesus truth but with a few different ideas over doctrine.
So you had the Eastern church of Jesus and the Western Church of Jesus and the 2 never saw quite eye to eye. The was miscomprehension of the trinity concept of which other racial things bore out of it. This division virtually occurs straight away after the Jesus ascension. I would say around 40AD or so the division became apparent and perpetuated.
No doubt there would of been a collection of writings of this Eastern branch that was pre Islamic and was probably was not regarded or recognised by the Western branch.
However this Eastern branch perpetuated in the East as a Christian group following the teachings of John the Baptist and Abner the Eastern representation of Jesus words and this Church still survives today.
However, 600BC Mohammed came took over the whole region and began social and religious reconstruction which delivered the Quran that beheld many of Abners ideas and personal thoughts handed down over time if not all. Compiled a book including the very earlier beliefs stemming from Jesus containing in doctrine the disagreement between Abner and Paul which is apparent.
Note that the Quran does recognise Jesus as prophet but not the ideas of trinity and because of that you have bias and division.
It was all over a disagreement of doctrine, it had nothing to do with Jesus words in truth.
The picture I see in connection to this journey of Eden. Is that, I get the feeling and picture that God may use Eden and an attempt to dispel this error or division in both churches and may include a few more.
I feel Jesus is going gather his church, all of his church unto himself through Eden and the knowledge it represents. That would be all the churches and Judaism and all the other churches. But as far as Christianity,Islam and Judaism this divisional issue would be sorted out.
Isn't that incredible God coming down to sort out the mess between his spiritual brotherhood/family himself. I am going on gut feeling here, however the construct in discovery through the Quran knowing what we know, seems like a perfect construct and falls into place with the current scenario. In other words the picture seems to be forming in the reality.
In the Quran in one of its prophecy it says that the Quran, everything will disappear one day and all believers go to paradise.
In relation to the construct I can see that happening in a way that Jesus, Paradise and local personalties come down, all truth is refined through an adjudication process where the truth will be left standing and then compiled in a super book of religion including all the past relevant books and info and connected with the new book. All the books including the truth only books of the Quran and other compiles. All error in any book will be discounted.
So then we have a super book with all the book in including the Urantia Book and other relevant truth books. In response to this all the religions will be amalgamated into one religion for the future as a religion of personal religion between God and man without prejudice and filthy stuff.
I'm sure there will be a demonstration that will happen in the physical and spiritual and will be undeniable and world wide. There will be much mercy however all the ugliness on every level will be dealt with. I'm afraid this goes for all However, knowing the truth makes you very peaceful and positively expectant.
Everything I feel will come to the plumbline of no violence and obedience has been drawn in the sand and has been presented and rejected. I don't think I can do anymore than release mysterious warnings to be vigilant without either being taken down or abused. But I will do it because people still have to be informed.
I released what I posted originally would attract world war 3. God will just have to sort it out for us. In our personal reflections of the short term past, a full scale war has died down things are on track and we are still in the journey of faith, the exact path that I feel is the right path, in the path to the truth. The path of truth and discovery and the unrevealed, revealed.
If I go into my little test scenario, according to my calculations we have come out of the 9th week where, according to Enoch in this period the earth has been set for destruction, I feel this could be because of rejection and nothing more can be really done.
The stage is set! we are entering into the tenth week. In this week according to Enoch the Judgment process will begin particularly in the seventh part which I calculate on the 4th July proclamation Sept 11th, To me Setp 11th is the 7th day, seventh part of the 10 week.
That is the last day the 7th day of the 10th week. That is the 70th day, this fits the Daniel and Ezra 70 days.
Its either that day or no day as far as my research is concerned. Also III extend an extra 3 days to that because three days are important.
Also looking at the days leading up to Sept 11th in my hemisphere.
find it interesting how the timing of the test seems to fall in the same day timing as Jesus Death scenario. in essence!
Anyway here is Jesus ascension words
"I bade you tarry in Jerusalem until you were endowed with power from on high. I am now about to take leave of you; I am about to ascend to my Father, and soon, very soon, will we send into this world of my sojourn the Spirit of Truth; and when he has come, you shall begin the new proclamation of the gospel of the kingdom, first in Jerusalem and then to the uttermost parts of the world. Love men with the love wherewith I have loved you and serve your fellow mortals even as I have served you. By the spirit fruits of your lives impel souls to believe the truth that man is a son of God, and that all men are brethren. Remember all I have taught you and the life I have lived among you. My love overshadows you, my spirit will dwell with you, and my peace shall abide upon you. Farewell."
When the morontia Master had thus spoken, he vanished from their sight. This so-called ascension of Jesus was in no way different from his other disappearances from mortal vision during the forty days of his morontia career on Urantia.
about the Quran study here is a collection of commonalities that I could find and some other interesting things.
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i kind of tripped out on all the anti you know what stuff myself. but then i found that i was in a specific topic and waltzed on over to the others for fresh air.
believe it or not, though i think wrh is about the fairest and most common sense site out there, i sometimes get overwhelmed by the anti you know what stuff, and turn away in disgust.
but that's not to say that i'd take the wash post over it for news. know what i mean, vern?
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For sure Via Mars 3 this topic is pretty heavy. Just trying to find a solution by identifying the cause of the problem.
Anyway Sarah, I found this link to St Ephraim he was in charge of the Eastern Church of the Christians at around late 200AD to 300AD. They where apart and not influenced by the Pauline church in the occident. I don't think they agreed with the trinity idea. I think the whole argument was adopted and perpetuated through a lack of understanding.
Here is a link to the seven pearls of Hymns of Faith
Its quite remarkable there are so many keywords and connections. I'm sure allot of this stuff were pre Islamic texts that where drawn upon in 600AD. There might be clue to this.
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Here is some more garbage, propagated by the Arab press, timely since 9/11 is coming up. I'll print it to see what Sarah and Gabrielle think of it:
Arab Press Says Jews Perpetrated 9/11 Attacks The MEMRI Report
By STEVEN STALINSKY August 30, 2006
"Is it conceivable that Muslims did the killing on 9/11? Yes, they did. They killed 3,000 people." Ahmad Al-Rub'i, a former Kuwaiti minister of education, Al-Rai TV, March 27
Twelve days from now will mark the fifth anniversary of the attacks of September 11, 2001. Since the attacks, the Middle East Media Research Institute has documented what the Arab and Iranian press has said about that day.
Its response to the attacks was immediate. "When the towers collapsed my lungs filled with air. I breathed in relief, as I'd never breathed before,"a missive from the chairman of the Syrian Arab Writers Association read. "Millions across the world shouted in joy: America was hit," the independent Egyptian weekly Al-Maydan wrote. "I have a sneaking suspicion that George W. Bush was involved in the operations of September 11, as was Colin Powell," a columnist for the Arabic-language daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat, Samir Atallah, said.
Prominent journalists, members of academia, and leading religious figures shaped such conspiracy theories. Furthermore, Arab government officials were responsible in part for creating and spreading conspiracies about what "really" happened.
"I find it hard to believe that people who were learning to fly in Florida could, within a year and a half, fly large commercial airlines and hit with accuracy the towers of the World Trade Center, which would appear, to the pilot from the air, the size of a pencil," President Mubarak of Egypt told Al-Ahram Weekly on October 25, 2001. "Only a professional pilot could carry out this mission, not someone who learned to fly for 18 months in Florida."
Two weeks after the attacks, Sheik Muhammad al-Gameia an Egyptian imam at the Islamic Cultural Center of New York and the American representative to Al-Azhar University, the highest religious authority in Sunni Islam gave an interview to one of the school's Web sites. He said, among other things, "If the Americans knew that the Jews carried out the September 11 attacks, they would do to them what Hitler did."
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More recently, an American Muslim scholar who is active in prominent American Muslim organizations such as the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Salah Sultan, gave an interview to Saudi Al-Resala TV. "September 11 could not have been carried out entirely from outside [America] by Muslims or others. The entire thing was of a large scale and was planned within America in order to enable America to control and terrorize the entire world," he said on May 17.
Notable conspiracy theories from the Arab world and Iran between 2001 and 2004 put the blame for the attacks on Jews, Zionists, Christian Zionists, born again Christians, the Vatican, Mossad, CIA, National Security Council, white supremacist groups, Britain, President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Benjamin Netanyahu, and many others.
These conspiracies have continued over the past year. "The 9/11 story is, in fact, a Zionist conspiracy," an Egyptian cleric, Abd Al-Sabur Shaheen, said on Al-Nas TV on July 10.
Writing in the Oman daily Al-Watan on June 26, Abdallah Hammouda discussed the possibility that neoconservative Christians and Zionists planned and implemented the attacks.
The "real facts are not available"to explain what really happened on September 11, but besides Al Qaeda, it is possible Jews or even the "Americans themselves were behind it," the chairman of the Somali Islamic Courts Union, Sheik Sherif Sheik Ahmed, told the Somaliland Times on June 9.
"I said that 9/11 was carried out by American agents," the deputy chairman of the Egyptian Parliamentary Committee for Defense and National Security, Muhammad Abd Al-Fattah, told Ein TV on May 2.
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"I am one of the those who believe these events"of September 11 "were fabricated from the outset," an Egyptian cleric who once lectured in America, Hazem Sallah Abu Ismail, said on Saudi Al-Resala TV on April 14.
Throughout September 2005, Al-Jazeera aired a special titled "The Truth Behind 9/11." Part IV, which aired September 30, was devoted to the Mossad's involvement, including "agents dancing and cheering in front of the World Trade Center."
On September 13, 2005, Iran's Jaame Jam 1 TV aired a program on September 11 conspiracies, including the "true" passengers on the planes that hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and why 4,000 Jews did not show up to work that day. An Iranian TV documentary on Sahar 1 TV on September 11, 2005, suggested that the American government attacked its own people.
A retired Egyptian general, Muhammed Khalef, said on Al-Mihwar TV on September 11, 2005, that the planning for September 11, 2001, began in 1999 at the National Defense University. He claimed that Mr. Cheney told Mr. Bush, "It was an inside the White House job."
In November 2002, Ain Al-Yaqeen quoted the powerful Saudi interior minister, Prince Nayef, as saying: "It is impossible that 19 youths carried out the operation of September 11, or that bin Laden or Al Qaeda did that alone. I think [the Zionists] are behind these events." Prince Nayef's statement was considered shocking and was immediately condemned. As NBC reported, it completely undercut a $10 million Saudi public relations campaign.
Unfortunately, as we approach the fifth anniversary of the attacks, statements such as Prince Nayef's are now readily accepted in the Middle East.On June 22, Pew released the results of a survey that asked Muslims if they thought Arabs carried out the September 11 attacks. Only 17% of British Muslims; 48% of French Muslims; 16% of Indonesians; 32% of Egyptians; 16% of Turks; 39% of Jordanians, and 15% of Pakistanis answered "yes."
Mr. Stalinsky is the executive director of the Middle East Media Research Institute. A documentary about the results of MEMRI's survey of the Arab and Iranian press over the last five years, narrated by Ron Silver and produced by Interface Media Group, will air on www.memri.org next week.
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"On June 22, Pew released the results of a survey that asked Muslims if they thought Arabs carried out the September 11 attacks. Only 17% of British Muslims; 48% of French Muslims; 16% of Indonesians; 32% of Egyptians; 16% of Turks; 39% of Jordanians, and 15% of Pakistanis answered "yes."
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wow caleb - lot's to say as a new member. and the way you post it. could you be a little less obvious?
not to say i agree or disagree. but you know what i'm talking about? sure you do.
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No, actually, I don't. I posted the stuff the same way everyone else posts seems to post things around here. As for having a lot to say for being a new member, why even join a forum at all if you don't have something to say..?
quote:I am bothered by the term Anti-Semite. Semites were originally classed as a group of people who descended from Shem, one of the three sons of Noah.
True, IDNF. Originally, the term took in Arabs, too, but somewhere along the line, it stopped applying to them and now strictly applies to Jews.
I am bothered by the term, too. In fact, I wish we had no need to use it at all.
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Thank you for all your fine work, friend sevens, I admire your effOrts to make sense of if all. Most simply accept the world the way it, is, warts and all, without thought to change it. I particularly liked this line:
It is a fallacy for any group of religionists to conceive of their creed as The Truth; such attitudes bespeak more of theological arrogance than of certainty of faith.
And I agree. Is there such a thing as a universal truth? I like to imagine that there is a more personal truth more fitting for each of us.
Sarah
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quote:Originally posted by via mars 2: i kind of tripped out on all the anti you know what stuff myself. but then i found that i was in a specific topic and waltzed on over to the others for fresh air.
believe it or not, though i think wrh is about the fairest and most common sense site out there, i sometimes get overwhelmed by the anti you know what stuff, and turn away in disgust.
but that's not to say that i'd take the wash post over it for news. know what i mean, vern?
Tripped out in a good way or in a bad one?
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