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Don't worry about it; I'm sure the old bastard has a few billion socked away somewhere that only he knows.
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I got this e-mail from him asking if I would help him transfer funds from his bank into an American account that I would set up, for which I would receive $14 million. Should I do it? I could really use the money.
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Sure, Go for it Dorian and with that 14 million you can buy some valuable oceanview property in West Virginia from me.
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I was going to say "the mountain of crap certain people here try to pass off as knowledge" but somehow that seems too mean. Plus, that name is too long. Longer in Iroquois.
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Supposedly, with due dna analysis, the real Sodamned Insane is standing up, or crouching, or sitting, or whatever.
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Actually, I heard on BBC World News that the guy who represented Slobodan Milosevic, Carlos the Jackal and Klaus Barbie, a French a**hole attorney named Jacques Verges, wants to represent Saddam Hussein.
quote:If he is judged and treated like a pariah, clearly his defence counsel would have to say 'but this pariah was the friend of all the Western heads of state. He was not only their friend but their ally'," Verges said.
Referring to allegations of atrocities, Verges said: "It must be established whether everything that happened was rumour or not, and what the responsibility was of the allies of the former Iraqi government."
Why is he an a**hole? He has represented war criminals before, so he doesn't need reputation, and he is an attorney, so he doesn't need money. That leaves "just to be an a**hole and cause trouble for the world" as his motivation.
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Actually, I would like to come down a bit from my strongly worded previous post. Saddam Hussein should have great representation so that no one would be able to claim he was railroaded.
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And anyone here that thinks that it is POSSIBLE for Saddam Hussein to be railroaded, you should exit the back of the Common Sense Bus right now. There is a small opening, an emergency exit, just a doggie door in tempered glass, really, but you all should jump through it if you are really going with the idea that somehow Saddam Hussein is actually defensible. There is a limit to which Irony and Parody will stretch, and all of you ilk-natured 'baristers' have long since crossed it. It is to your own special amnesia, your historical delusions, that I now tip my beer can to. Congratulations, fools. You have gone where the average guy fears to tread. You have set the O.J. of Dictators free. No, not the O.J. The Richard Jewel. Right? The Joey Buttuafuco? The Bernhard Goetz? Nahhhh.
He's guilty. Of what, you f*cking name it. Give him to the Iraqi's. The Code of Hammurabi will see to it.
As the Ol' Western actor said..."Hangin's too good for 'em".
Power to the people....
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quote: And anyone here that thinks that it is POSSIBLE for Saddam Hussein to be railroaded, you should exit the back of the Common Sense Bus right now.
You're right, of course, Eric. And from what he has posted on the subject, I think Dorian would basically agree with your sentiments regarding Saddam.
But he has a point. While everyone knows at least some of what Saddam is guilty of and few rationally question his guilt, the nature of the trial is important in political terms. You have to allow him the best possible defense and go through the whole process very meticulously. Not because we need to be sure he's guilty. We know that. But to avoid giving any amunition to the enemy for painting him as a martyr who was a victim of summary justice.
In a sense, this whole campaign is about altering the psyche of the region. Not so much to make them love the US, but more along the line of empowering them (to borrow a touchy feely term that usually annoys me). We want people to see that under our philosophy if even the most heinous criminal gets the fairest trial he possibly can, then the rest of the population can expect justice ruled by reason as well. In this case, the end, in my opinion, is less important than the means.
The hard part now is not so much who his lawyers should be, but who should run the trial: US, Iraqis, or UN.
My instincts are that the Iraqis should get him. But right now the government is just a provisional government which is answerable to the US. So that could appear to be the same as the US doing it. But the idea that Iraqis are somehow incapable of doing it without outside assistance is mildly insulting.
It may be the best thing to try him for some relatively minor charge such as embezzlement under CPA authority in order to justify incarceration until such a time that Iraq has an independant government which could then try him for the big stuff under their own rules and their own sentencing guidelines. But I'm not sure if that would be good or bad for our overall objectives.
And don't be too hard on the attorneys. If attorneys aren't willing to represent the unpopular then our justice system falls flat.
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They will never "love" us, Tom. Jealousy and fear are hard to overcome. Ever notice how common people tend to exalt when rich or famous persons topple? Even though those people did nothing personally to them.
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My apologies if it seems like my last post was directed toward Dorian. It wasn't. Mostly it was aimed at those people here that think International Institutions (tm) and The Hague are appropriate and acceptable venues for, well, anything. I know, from past experience and an understanding of some of Tom's sources, that he has some understanding of the fate of Slobodan Milosevic. He was handed over to the 'international courts' to face 'international law'. He was handed over as a deposed and ruined shell of what he had commanded previously. Now, five years of international court later, he has just won a seat in his country's parliament. This is a travesty, pure and simple. To be sitting in the clink for five years, all the while acting as your own counsel and defending yourself from Genocide charges, and after that time all the Hague can say is that they are no closer to a resolution than they were five years ago and, Oh Yeah, the guy's gone and rehabilitated his image with his people and actually won a spot in Parliament again, while campaigning from a Dutch prison cell. This is truly bizarre. It would be laughable if it wasnt for the knowledge I have of some peoples faith in these very same bankrupt institutions.
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saddam can be useful in one way - as a barometer for the new iraqi citizen test.
sargent, keep your pencil handy and write down the names of iraqis that come to saddam's aid when turned loose in the streets. all others who attempt to stone, dismember, or kill outright will be duly recorded and afforded status as new iraqi citizens - fit for habitating the new iraq. the others ... i believe there's still room at guantanomo.
Looks like Verges has left the team, Dorian [he must have read your commentary ]:
quote:Controversial French lawyer Jacques Verges, who has claimed he was hired by Saddam's nephew to represent the former Iraqi leader, was not listed as part of the defense team.
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