posted 01-27-2003 02:05         

Again, Cats were not thought of as divine in the Old Kingdom. At least from what I have read.

DNA, english please?

posted 01-27-2003 06:52         

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posted 01-27-2003 07:06         

MICHAEL POE

ANCIENT EGYPTIAN METAPHYSICS

Many requests for me to do some teaching (largely from a book
that I am now writing on ancient Egyptian Metaphysics and Personal
Worship) about metaphysics, worship and the ancient Egyptian trad-
itions. To start off, I want to briefly quote some ancient Egyptian
philosophers to give you the gist of ancient Egyptian philosophy and
Metaphysics. The next note I enter will be on general comments on
ancient Egyptian metaphysics. The material I will use is NOT from
Masonic or Rosecrucian but from authentic Egyptian sources. In many
cases I can quote the exact sources, most are translations of papyrus,
temples, tombs, etc. Having studied the subject for 33 years, gotten a
degree on the subject, and working on the book for 10 years, I will
pass on some of what I have learned. All of the translations are from
Egyptologists and Archaeologists. To quote an old Egyptian philosopher
(found written on his tomb), Ptah hotep :

"To give a few words of Truth,
And what you make of Them will be your Test."

From the College of Priests House of the Temple of Horus at Edfu:

"The Lamp of Wisdom burns steadily,
If the soil that feeds it be reality.
If the oil that feeds the lamp be Love,
The beloved will meet the Lord or Lady
and be blessed.
(Lord or Lady means personal God or Goddess, ed.)

If the air that feeds the Flame be Truth,
The Breath of He who breathes will inhale Wisdom.

If the Spirit enters the Flame,
The Fire will be as bright as a Star."

Next little lesson; what is a hymn when I mention one or quote
one (which I will from time to time)?

The hymns of Egypt tell of the nature and workings of the God/-
dess they glorify. They mention his /her name and his/her ties to a
locality, allude to the myths and describe his/her appearance and
powers and attributes.

A occult tradition is like a journey. Before one ventures onto
any unknown journey it is best to have an idea of the dangers and
preventive protection. Ancient Egypt had 14 traditions. I will, in
these notes, outline them all.

To share another "wisdom texts" as the ancient Egyptian philos-
ophy is called: This one is from Kagemni, whose tomb can be visited at
Sakkara, as is known as one of the wisest men around.
This text is for a student in order for him to select the right
metaphysical teacher.

* 1. Neter - Neter is the ancient Egyptian word, that we would
equate with God or Goddess. But Neter's exact translation is "Abstract
Principle" or "Divine Principle" and is not a male or female word.

* 2. Bennu on the Obelisk - the Bennu bird is the Egyptian
Phoenix, which lives in Arabia, and comes every 500 years to built a
nest on an obelisk where it lays an egg, and when the egg starts
hatching, it dies in its own flames, and is reborn from the egg. The
obelisk is the Egyptian symbol of the first ray of sun light striking
the earth, and when built, is usually covered in gold or electrum. The
top of the obelisk is like a pyramid and is called the Pyramidion; and
the pyramids are all representations of the suns first light on the
Newly Born Earth.

* 3. "He holds fast to the Neter's name and inspires others to
meditate on it." - In addition to the common name of any god, like
Heru for Horus, they also have a hidden name, a name of power, that
the priest/esses use in ritual and meditation.

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The only schools, including most crafts, were taught in the
temple colleges. A child would be sent to a college to learn a craft
between the ages of 6-10. If the family had a tradition of priest/-
esses then usually the children would go to the temple college to be
interviewed and tested for the priesthood. Exactly how the priest/-
esses at the college tested the would be initiate is not well known
yet, but we do know that usually the following priests would be
involved:

1. A Divine Scribe (reader and writer initiate)
2. A Prophet (who uses divination of some sort and inner visions)
3. A Purification Priest
4. A Priest of Anubis (or some other sort related to traveling in
Egyptian heavens (astral plane directly related to Egyptian
heavens).

Every Egyptian temple had 2 types of staff, a magical one and a
working one (working meaning the scribes, bakers and people who run
the every day part).

If the would be initiate was found wanting in the magical staff
(called People of the Circle, which we will get to when we talk about
temple organization), the person may be sent back, or taught a craft,
or go into the working temple staff.

One of the first things that any initiate is taught is Egyptian
Philosophy, which is really less like Voltaire, and more like Ethics
and Conscious. The would be priest needs to come up with his own
ethics or philosophy before embarking on to magical training.

Therefore ethics and morals was the beginning of the training. If
one had to make a "Readers Digest Condensed" version of all of the
Egyptian ethics and philosophy teachings it would be; as one Egyptian
Philosopher put it (but not quite as well).

Do anything you want, but only in moderation, and while doing so,
do not harm anyone physically or psychology.

Almost exactly like the Wiccan motto : Do what they wilt, but
harm none.

But to the ancient Egyptian, theirs also says, "don't harm
yourself, and don't go overboard on anything: Moderation.

ANCIENT EGYPTIAN ASTRAL HEAVEN(S)

Ancient Egypt had more than one heaven, and most of their heavens
were subdivided into sections or parts akin to, and probably best
equated with the astral plane.

As the astral plane has many different levels, the lowest next to
the earthly plane, and highest sections up to and pass most of earth's
religions concept of heaven, the astral plane is like a onion with the
material world in the center, and the layers going outward (or inward,

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or higher, or whatever). As most religions heavens are manifested in
the astral plane, they are also separate from each other.

This is also true in Egyptian heavens of the astral plane. The
Book of the Dead (a misnomer as the egyptians never called it that),
lists the sections of the Heaven of Osiris. As you read the book, you
also see that there is a specific way to get to the heaven and through
it.

There is an ancient Egyptian writing from a scribe that says, in
effect: "If you don't use the specific directions to get to a par-
ticular heaven, you won't get there but to a false heaven."

As most of us are aware, the astral plane is composed and made up
of the thoughtforms of mankind and of the gods, hence, there is an
Egyptian heaven that was formed by the thousands of people who have
conceptualized it since the beginning of the 1800's, made stronger
through the Rosecrucians and Blavatsky's, and into the modern metaphy-
sical movement. But it is NOT the ancient Egyptian heaven. Hence, you
can't simply just astrally project in order to get to a real Egyptian
heaven.

You have to follow the directions by the ancient Egyptians in
order to make it to one of their specific heavens.

You may even have to change your astral form to conform to a
certain type in order to enter. For example, one of the ways to get to
the Horus heaven is to have project to the Nile, and do certain things
in order for a boat with a hawk on it to come over to the bank and
pick you up to take you to the Horus Heaven.

One of the things you have to do, and not the only thing, in
order to get into the Heaven of Isis is to change your astral body
into the shape of a bird, a Swallow!

So if someone, no matter how much you respect them, tells you
that they dreamed or astrally projected to astral Egypt, they are
wrong, unless they know the specific ways to do it. The Egyptians
then, have a sort of astral lock on the proverbial doors to the
entrance of their heavens, and you can't just blindingly end up there
without the right keys to get there. I can probably safely say that no
more than a couple of dozen people in the last century have been able
to enter these heavens, and no one who has written a book about
Egyptian metaphysics has (including Eliz. Hatch who wrote Initiation;
who knows nothing about Ptahhotep).

The teachers are still pretty much in the Egyptian heavens,
waiting to teach the student who is able to get there.

Although the ancient Egyptians had the wherewithal to go into
drug induced states (they had mandrake and poppies for medicine), I
have yet to find one example of them using them for magic or astral
projection.

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Astral sight was taught before astral projection, using tech-
niques that we still use today.

Several techniques that are used today in astral projection today
were also used in astral projection then, but usually, a priest led
the student in the first several experiences in order for the student
to get used to the experience and feelings associated with projection
to a particular heaven.

Therefore the guided trips were first used. Usually the first
trips were done in the temples (easier to do with all of the power
already resident in the temples). Some, like the priests of Horus were
also done by the Nile's edge, the student going into a sleep, the
priest astrally projecting and drawing the students astral body and
consciousness out doing what is necessary for the Horus boat to arrive
on the astral Nile, then going on the trip through the Horus heaven.
Sometimes it was done out in the desert.

Once when I was in Egypt, after finding a Eye of Horus between
the pillars of the temple of the ka of Ptahhotep, I went into the
Serapeum (desert underground chambers for the burials of the Serapis
bulls; talk about sensory deprivation! Light wouldn't go farther than
20' and normal talking didn't extend past 30-40'.) and in the Serap-
eum, while sitting down next to the stone coffin of one of the bulls I
instantaneously, and lack of trying on my part, astrally projected. I
found myself several hundred feet over the desert at Sakkara and flew
to the Nile and commenced on a trip to an Egyptian heaven.

When a teacher died, such as Imhotep, he went to the appropriate
heaven and taught from there (according to the ancient Egyptians, who
said that at that point their teachers on earth would astrally project
to the heaven to be taught by him). At that point, all priest/esses
called him Master, or another appropriate remark. Since apparently
there was much connections between the two worlds, the priest/esses
knew when Imhotep finally left the astral heaven to ascend beyond and
into the world of the god/desses. At that point Imhotep on earth was
called a God (this process is found in a papyrus fragment translated
courtesy of the French Institute of Archeology of Cairo).

Hence, if you know when Imhotep or some other lived, and know
that after death he was called a master, then the earliest time that
he, or she, started being called a God was the time he moved out of
the astral plane.

Some other traditions use the symbology of ladders as an analogy
of the ascent to their astral plane. Each rung represents a god or
goddess to invoke, the ladder is always held by two gods, which
symbolize the type of path being used. In some other traditions, there
was a way to ascend through the astral plane and into the spiritual
realm, reserved for the higher priests who have passed the Guardian of
the Threshold. These traditions can be found when you go to Egypt for
in some of the temples the staircase to the roof will have a god/dess
for each step, symbolizing those that you will need to ascend to the
spiritual plane.

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Certain god/desses and spiritual beings can assist or deter you
from your astral trip.

THE HELPERS: Anubis is one of the best. Hathor is also great, for
she gives you magical power during your astral projection. The god Seb
supplies all a person needs to astrally travel in many places. The god
Seb, Shu, the goddesses Nut and Tefnut defend people during their
journeys.

There was also the Souls of the West, Souls of the East; Lady of
the Evening, Calf of the Goddess (Morning Star), Souls of several
different cities for their special heavens; The Catcher of Gods, the
Divine Being who Examines Gods for Men, the God who Binds Gods.

THOSE THAT YOU WANT TO AVOID: The Unmentionable Terrible Serpent
(with Lovecraftian powers and would be great in his novels, like
Chuthulu or Hastor the Unspeakable, occasionally used in Black Magic,
which apparently was very uncommon in Egypt) I won't give you his
name.

There is of course, Apep, Apophis, and a few specific to each of
the heavens, but are usually particular to the Osirian heaven (Reading
the Book of the Dead will give you a great idea about them).

A zoomorphic projection is when you astrally project then change
your astral body into a zoomorphic figure in order to get to specific
egyptian astral heavens. An example is turning your astral body into a
swallow to get to Isis's heaven, or into a hawk to get to one of
Horus's heavens.

Following the Eastern Tradition of the astral plane, the Egyp-
tians have an almost exact duplicate of the concept. Basically it says
that there is a plane of existence between the realm of the high gods
and earth, called the astral plane, which has layers like an onion.
The astral plane is made up of the mind stuff of heaven and earth
dwellers alike and is as real as both. To the Eastern people, all the
heavens of all the religions are there. To both Egyptian and Easter-
ners, to get there you astrally project or out of body experience.
Although the Egyptians had a more elaborate version.

The Egyptians, therefore, which had several religious traditions,
of which Isis plays in a couple) had several heavens. These were
usually conceived of in layers or parts, corresponding to the layers
of the astral plane. In Heliopolis there were 12 layers or planes to
their heaven.

Each tradition had a different heaven and a different way of
getting there. The temples trained the people how to do it at home, at
the temple, or elsewhere.

Sometimes more than just the astral body took the trip, there was
also a spiritual body, the soul, the spirit and other forms.

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According to ancient Egyptian practices, you can project your
astral body, soul, spirit, or spiritual body. However, there is no
ritual to do all at once, probably because it would kill the person.
Of course the sa is considered the spiritual power of a person and the
animating force of the body. As long as you have the sa and one of the
three (soul, spirit or spiritual body) you're body can still live
during the projections.

The Egyptians are the only ones that I am aware of (other than a
very few Native American tribes) that even project the spirit or the
spiritual body or the soul.

Altered state of consciousness was used in Egypt, usually by NOT
using drugs, although they did have mandrake, poppies and hemp (used
in medicine as an anaesthetic). What was taught differed by tradition,
and what kind of altered state differed also. For example: A scribe of
Anubis: Does he want to become a doctor/priest, a mummification
priest, or a priest/guide to the astral plane? If the latter, then he
is taught the basics of the Egyptian astral planes and how each one
differs, and how each tradition of Egypt has a different path to their
own. He is taught how to astrally project, and then his teacher will
project and take him on a guided tour. Eventually he will astrally
project to the Anubis temple in the astral plane and receive higher
knowledge from their teachers. Eventually he will teach others to
project, and lead them on journeys. No one except probably about 15
people know how to astrally project to an ancient Egyptian astral
plane. The form you take, the route you take, what you see determines
if you will get there, and if you don't know these things, according
to the Egyptians you will not reach the plane. Instead you will end up
on an astral plane of Egypt created by people who lived from the 1700-
1800's on, such as Golden Dawn people, Rosecrucians, Wicca people. Is
there an astral plane? It's up to you. I have my own opinion. My
opinions are almost always based on experts in their own fields.

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posted 01-27-2003 13:41         

What are you talking about?

Read again.

Many requests for me to do some teaching (largely from a book
that I am now writing on ancient Egyptian Metaphysics and Personal
Worship) about metaphysics, worship and the ancient Egyptian trad-
itions. To start off, I want to briefly quote some ancient Egyptian
philosophers to give you the gist of ancient Egyptian philosophy and
Metaphysics.

The material I will use is NOT from
Masonic or Rosecrucian but from authentic Egyptian sources. In many
cases I can quote the exact sources, most are translations of papyrus,
temples, tombs, etc. Having studied the subject for 33 years, gotten a
degree on the subject, and working on the book for 10 years,

All of the translations are from
Egyptologists and Archaeologists.

posted 01-27-2003 14:49         

It is like you've read one page of a 500 page book, then you're trying to tell us what the book was about.

posted 01-27-2003 19:27         

The problem with Poe is that he appears to be interpreting valid Egyptological sources within a New Age context.
He does appear to have a degree, and for this I give him respect, although the precise details regarding his degree are not given.

Your original statement was phrased in such a way that it did not appear to be true. There is a wide latitude for the interpretation of Egyptian writings and the usage of artifacts until they are fit within the greater context of history.

posted 01-27-2003 21:27         

True, but is it really a problem. I'm not hounding on the validity of all New Age type esoterica as there is always that which has been distorted by humanities biases. But his ideas as well as countless others nowadays could be seen as an evolution of thought as well. We live in a time when the past is being brought back to shed light on the revolutionary modern thinking and technological breakthroughs that abound. Any insights whether ultimately proven, if possible, to be true or not should in my book be considered and at the bare minimum acknowledged. Not thrown away as goobledygook and "mystic mumbo jumbo." This is not directed at you seerman.

posted 01-28-2003 09:39         

John is right about the past being brought into the future. We are learning what the myths of the ancients mean. They all tell a story of human potential. It's up to use to learn how to use that potential.

Not everything is written in the papyus, temples and tombs. Today new age is refining and expanding on the myths and practices not just of the Egyptians but other cultures.

The belief in God has to do with metaphysics, esoteric, spiritual world. They are have a common beginning to them.

posted 01-28-2003 10:50         

I left for a reason, now I remember what that was.

Have fun in dreamland.

posted 01-28-2003 14:24         

There are 2 articles on OM/AUM

posted 01-28-2003 18:55         

That which seperates the one from the other is the ability of the best to distinguish between speculation, fancy, and valid conclusions drawn from ready and objective evidence.

To attribute a system of spiritual categorization to an ancient culture when there is no historical evidence of their embracing such a system is foolish at best, and downright dishonest at its worst. (When financial gain is acquired from the pocketbook of the genuine seeker.)

posted 01-28-2003 19:26         

A BRIEF HISTORY OF EGYPT

Egypt wasn't always a thin ribbon of life surrounded by desert.
From 200,000 to 10,000 bce most of what is now known as the Sahara
desert used to be verdant grasslands and plains with many trees and
several rivers. There was an accumulation of different cultures down
to 5,000 bce.

From 6,000-4,000 bce different belief structures, and both
matrilineal and patrilineal societies existed along the Nile, for by
then the Sahara was rapidly turning to desert and the cultures went to
the only remaining source of water, the Life Giving Nile. Agriculture
was already developed, and irrigation systems in use. There was
already predominant Goddess and God worship in these societies.

From 4,000-3,100 bce, Egypt now evolved into states, between
36-44 of them, called Nomes. From time to time, Egypt became united
into two kingdoms, the Upper Kingdom, from about Aswan down to Cairo,
with its capital at Nekhen, whose chief god was a goddess, Nekhebit,
the Vulture Goddess; and Lower Egypt in the Delta with it's capital at
Uatchet, whose chief god was also a goddess, Uatchet.

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Nekhebit, the Vulture Goddess was an Earth Mother, and considered
very maternal (the type of vultures in Egypt are very maternal birds).
She also symbolized regeneration of life, from Death comes Life, as
the vulture is one of the few animals that can survive and mainly
subsists on bodies of animals that would poison others.

Uatchet, the Snake Goddess, was also venerated as protection from
snakes, and of fertility (snakes lay many eggs).

The two goddess, Nekhebit and Uatchet, Vulture and Snake goddess
became the part of the crown over the third eye, look at the two on
most crowns of egypt. Later, the snake goddess became associated with
the Serpent Fire of the Egyptian equivalent of the Kundalini, and it's
power came out at the third eye, instead of the top of the head (which
became associated with another god).

The worship of Hathor, Amon, Thoth, Horus, Bast, Sekhmet and a
few others have already been well established. Isis is yet to be found
or mentioned.

The first three Dynasties: I

The 1st king, Narmer, united the kingdoms forever (after a brief
unification prior), and on the famous palette of Narmer is found not
only the Nome standards (our equivalents of flags), but the 1st known
name of Hathor.

The 2nd king of the 1st Dynasty established the right of women to
rule Egypt.

It was during the 1st Dynasty that a woman ruled Egypt, to take
that into perspective, if the US followed that, we would have a woman
president well before the Civil War. She was one of
the 11 women to rule one of the greatest civilizations in the world.
And it, like most of the others, was peaceful.

Rights of women were established. they could marry and divorce;
there was no community property; women could establish their own
businesses without a man's consent or cosignature; they could conduct
them before, during and after marriage. Married couples were con-
sidered co-partners and co-equals. Pregnant women, by law, had to be
taken care of by the husband or the police came and beat him up!

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posted 01-29-2003 08:55         

Use a divining bowl of pottery. Use green or some vegetable based
ink. Preferable to use hieroglyphics, but try it a few times without
them and use english (but if you can, do as the Egyptians do) Write
your request or formula in base and inner sides of bowl using the
vegetable ink. Also write in either Bes, Bast, or Hathor's name three

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times while meditating on the goddess and your request. (pick one
goddess, not all three)

Pour consecrated water in it to dissolve the writing.
Swallow water
Go to sleep

(If you can sleep in a temple, sacred area, so much the better,
otherwise at home, and record your dreams when you wake up.)

A divination bowl, in Egypt, was specially made for the purpose;
however, if you're not a potter, pottering around, find one out of
pottery, usable (no lead based paint or in the clay), about the size
of rice bowl. Consecrate and bless it, and viola, a divining bowl.

Back in those days, green paint was either a vegetable dye or
green ochre. They didn't use the ochre, but a vegetable dye would
work. Although I know of people who specifically prepare a vegetable
ink (macerated herbs in a small bowl of water), a food coloring would
be okey, but I would still suggest using a mortar and pestle and
grinding some herbs you specially selected, and putting it into the
food colored water and let it seep for a bit, and then use that. It
would definitely be closer to the spirit of the occasion. I know, next
you are going to ask, what herbs?

Well, the ancient Egyptians had comfrey and you can heal thyself
at the same time. Lettuce was considered an aphrodisiac, sacred to Min
(so if your request or question is along that line, add that); they
also used mint a lot.

posted 01-29-2003 11:43         

Then will that text as my signature be the only deletion, or will all similar posts from that particular person be deleted and/or that person be informed of their offensiveness? I also hope that I haven't joined the game, so to speak.

I agree with your comments above, also. It becomes frustrating in ANY area of the forum when people pick a position and stick with it rather than go with facts, evidence and proof.