Your blindness beggars belief. I have NEVER talked of Egypt…I have quoted Psychonaut777 when he talked of “everything related to NASA goes back to Egyptian occult mythology..” So I replied; “but those that do transcend the “Egyptian Occult Mythology” by far longer than you could contemplate.”

I can't believe I have to explain this to you, one who seems to believe themselves so knowledgeable, so educated. The fact that I have to explain this would demonstrate just how erroneous you actually are on that issue.

So AGAIN I reiterate, I have never referred to Egypt, though I did quote someone on it.

So from your definition, when you quoted ANU here: “~Albert Pike said that masonry is not a RELIGION, then what is it a cult?~” Does this mean you think religion is not a cult? Do you honestly think what I've done there make sense? I don’t, but this is what you’ve continually been doing. Try and make some semblance of sense, it’s making it hard to derive amusement from your posts.

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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge".

That Viking Site has about 1000 links it seems. Any specific information you were referring to?

The site reads like someone who thinks the reader should know exactly what they are reading - which is fairly unusual for someone trying to give information to others. No grouping titles, just a continual list of links to written pages. My perception of the site is exceptionally chaotic. I can't tell if this is his own opinion or divinations or references to other people or what. The writer gives us this info and speaks of it like he's saying 'the sky is blue' - something that tends to illustrate arrogance or ignorance. When communicating information that not everyone will agree with caution must be used or you'll be utterly rejected. I know - happened to yours truly a LOT. If I saw one 'I believe' or 'I feel' or I think' I would be more readily accepting of the theories.
But then again I guess not everyone absorbed all the learning given in high school English classes.

A couple of things-

--RETROSPECTIVE MORAL CODES.
Legal liability ends with death.
It is disastrous to judge one's last incarnation by present day moral codes, as they change with time. Sometimes particular moral codes go out of fashion, and then come back into fashion again. Judge all incarnations by the moral codes of the time, country and religion.--

Frankly, the concepts of good and evil, which I consider 'morality' - are eternal. If its evil now it was even then - maybe not socially, but social views have little to do with actual acts of good or evil (e.g. Hitler was considered 'good' in WWII Germany, Italy, and Japan - social acceptance does not make it okay - never has)

--The Pharaoh Tutankhamen was locked in to operate his own curse for 3,000 years, until the writer released him. This sounds a very stupid way to spend 3,000 years.--

Stupid, eh? Not unless he has something really personally important to protect. If this was the truth, I doubt he did it on a whim. This may have been like a couple of years in the military to us - bearable for some, not for others. The use of the word 'stupid' is highly ineffective communication.
Given the state of humanity, I might choose to remain in the afterlife for 3 millenia, too.

--HAZARDS.
Passed lives are for one's personal use only and should not be inflicted on people other than psychotherapists. --

That's his opinion - we teach through stories of our own mistakes. And most physchotherapists would drug you for admitting such thoughts.

--Immortality is not much use to bodies without eternal youth. Similarly there is no immortality for the ego (thank goodness) even if the Christian Church appears to offer it.--

This I agree wholeheartedly with, and so far the only thing I've found that I can say that about.

--Time between Lives or Incarnations.
The webmaster has little reality on this, so he is passing you on to the experts.--

This amuses me. As far as I'm concerned, everything that I believe I know about life death and the afterlife is mere conjecture until I die, no matter how many people agree with me and no matter how convinced I am. No living mortal can be an expert on anything that comes from within the mind. Don't forget - we all have very vivid imaginations and I'd bet you a dollar it sometimes interferes with even the best of diviners and psychics.

I'll keep reading - I agree with some and doubt much. I still believe that the being I believe is God does not now nor ever will interfere with His plan. Why should he?

As far as I can tell, this site has almost nothing to do with the entity I feel as God. Just a buch of megalomaniac ETs trying to control our destiny (if this it true, they are in for some serious problems. THAT I can guarantee).

CRIPES I'm long winded.

The books were, by the way, some of my favorites as a child. Not your typical fantasy - indeed, the main 'hero' was a leper. I read the series of six books three times I loved them so much.

The fact that you made a personal claim involving "Egyptian Occult Mythology" proves that you did mention Egypt in your post.It doesn't matter if someone else originally brought the subject up,you addressed it in your post thus you cannot complain when some one else addresses the comments you made on the subject.

~So AGAIN I reiterate, I have never referred to Egypt, though I did quote someone on it.~

Are you serious?

The following is not a QUOTE: "but those that do transcend the 'Egyptian Occult Mythology' by far longer than you could contemplate."

These are your words not Psychonaut777's thus it does not qualify as a quote.

Also: Your more than frequent used of childish name-calling speaks volumes about your intellect.

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Not 1 but 2,not 2 but 3..

I have to give credit where it's due. That was one of the most informative post's that I've read here.

Now..
Before everyone jumps down my throat about being some kind of "devil worshiper" or anything, I'd like to say that I believe that the bible is just a complicated guide, whose purpose is to show that (both) good and evil are inevitable.

The Lord created evil and he created Satan, knowing that Satan was (or would be) EVIL.

And that means that EVIL IS NECESSARY. Knowing that, I don't see how anyone could possibly be "damned" for commiting it.

Measure..
Thank you for the informative post and I'd love to hear your thought's as far as the rest of the bible is concerned..

What lies "Beyond good and evil?"

A book? I can't tell you about the term "Sa-tinn" by quoting a book! Books are books, people make mistakes, and many books twist and turn the truth, some of them written in the spirit of bold faced lies and total deception. History is always written by the winners; and “truth” according to the winners of any confrontation, is usually a fairly one-sided account of what really went on. You might liken “truth” according to the winners, to something similar to “Official White House Press Releases.” Few there are, I suggest, in America at least, who have not reached the conclusions that the “official” take on things, is probably a far cry from any of the tape recordings made in the Oval office, and those same “official press releases” most certainly would NOT reveal the “hidden truth” locked away in files marked “top secret” and available only to those who have the proper security clearance.

I know about the story of "Sa-Tinn" through eternal life recall, which appears to encompass both incarnational history as well as the history written on the DNA. It is not that my tribe has not written many books as well, particularly in antiquity, but we have learned that for some bazaar reason, (I suggest the burning of the Library at Alexandria) our books just didn’t make it, and most of our words were certainly not considered quite “holy” enough to make it into the Bible. With the exception of the book of Revelations, I can’t find any biblical book that clearly tells the truth known by the Lambs. Our truth has been bombed, burned, and rewritten until it is virtually unrecognizable. Never the less, is it not the SOUL that hungers for the TRUTH?

The soul knows its’ own story, and it’s truth IS available. I’m glad I have the recall I do, or I would have never learned the value of discernment. Without that, it’s damned hard to tell truth from a pack of lies, as one wades through the murky waters of written history.

However, since, according to CrimenalMind, my eternal life recall appears to qualify me only as a human in disparate need of psychiatric care, I’m just not sure anybody even wants to hear this side of the story…

Just argue on brothers. Don’t pay me any heed. I don’t care how many New Ages the soul has to go through, things really haven’t changed that much over the course of time. The men are all STILL hanging out deciding who and what God is all about. And I guess the TRUTH as God gives it to the women, just doesn’t qualify. Too bad. Men only get half the story. But we women have got the other half…

I agree and disagree about that part about women having half the story and men the other half - I think it goes further.

I think our soul is equal parts feminine and masculine. If one is able to transcend your gender identity and reach both halves you should be able to discern to whole story - by yourself. Although it might be easier to find your soulmate and complete the picture together (and probably more fun as well) ;-)

I have only one clearly defined 'psychic' ability - to determine truth or falsehood within a person. It's like when I hear or read something my soul compares notes behind the scenes and my brain translates that into clearly discernable emotional response. This power clearly eminates from my feminine side. It has rarely failed me and is getting sharper with age. Indeed I have seen most people who are 'untruthful' are completely unaware of it - they think they are doing the right thing and in the end actually hurt themselves and many others. That's the tough part - convincing someone that they have been blinded to reality.
But my destructive power - which I have never deliberately used but one day may be neccessary - stems from my masculine side. Only through training in the martial arts have I been able to understand and therefore control this aspect of myself.

Of course women more easily access this reality - men often are far too stubborn to admit they even have a feminine aspect, whereas women for the most part seem to have much less of a problem doing this.

I have no voices. All my contact with beings beyond this plane is pure emotion and sensation. Of course, I think I'm being 'sheltered' from something else out there for reasons I wish to not go into here, so the contacts are coming through some sort of psychic barrier. I also know that I could break this barrier if I wanted to - but those beings whom I am in contact with do not wish this - they fear the consequences and won't give me any indication what it is they fear. Or maybe this is a result of my being a new breed. But I really don't think so. I am mostly like all other souls. This is also the reason I have shunned the use of my power - it feels wrong to try and activate myself. It could be deception, but as I've said I'm very young and time is on my side. Scary in a way, but I'll let it be for now.
Eventually I will know the truth.

And I want to hear what you think. You have advanced my knowledge of myself and my God already - something only two or three people have been able to do in my life. Shrug off those who would insult you - they mean nothing. They will recieve their pain back sooner or later. To return a phrase - I know that you are on the right path.

There is a difference between knowing the path and walking it.
This is an amazing multiverse we live in.

I never mentioned anything about a book.

But anyway,would you mind revealing your lineage and possibly your birth date as well?

Thank you for your previous replies.

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Not 1 but 2,not 2 but 3..

As far as the rest of the Biblical text is concerned you would have to be more specific.

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Not 1 but 2,not 2 but 3..

There has been no “childish namecalling” from my end. As much that has been said is to indicate that your attempted aloofness is transparent at best. Your brash assumptions indicate this point far better than any of my words ever could.

To ANU: ~You have failed~ …brash at best. According to whom?

~the rest of your post which is nothing more than opinionated utterings~ …according to whom?

~I don't involve myself in such "slinging matches".~ …brash tripe. I've noticed you in “Atlantis and Ancient History http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000304-4.html and if you think this is anything more than a slinging match rather than a debate, then you need to seriously look at your capacity for interpersonal relations.

You continue to corect people with your version of the truth. In “Gen 6” http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000140-2.html you state ~My knowledge is all encompassing which you will soon learn.~ Imressive boldness, don’t you think? And awfully confident.

~The being documented in the Christian bible known as Jesus Christ is a fictional character based on the lives of various much older deites and a hand full of living men.~ This is your opinion, as this topic is still being debated, so correcting others with this statement is brash at best. It appears that you do this more often than not. Correcting others’ opinions with your own opinions is not the way it works. And anyway, "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan.

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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge".

~There has been no "childish namecalling" from my end.~

The first post you directed towards me disagrees with the above statement: "not 1 but 2; not 2 but lame…"

Do note that this was your response to my request for the Masonic pass in an attempt to verify your membership....And the rest is history.

~As much that has been said is to indicate that your attempted aloofness is transparent at best. Your brash assumptions indicate this point far better than any of my words ever could.~

You keep using this word ASSUMPTION yet you've failed to produce any evidence at all supporting your case (which doesn't surprise me at all).

~~To ANU: ~You have failed~ …brash at best. According to whom?~

According to the FACT that Anu mis-quoted me.Also,the fact that you're bringing other people into this indicates your desperation.

~~the rest of your post which is nothing more than opinionated utterings~ …according to whom?~

According to the definition of the English word OPINION.

~~I don't involve myself in such "slinging matches".~ …brash tripe. I've noticed you in "Atlantis and Ancient History
http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000304-4.html and if you think this is anything more than a slinging match rather than a debate, then you need to seriously look at your capacity for interpersonal relations.

You continue to corect people with your version of the truth. In "Gen 6" http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000140-2.html you state ~My knowledge is all encompassing which you will soon learn.~ Imressive boldness, don't you think? And awfully confident.~

A. Your evidence doesn't support your case,for neither link presents evidence of NAME-CALLING.

B. Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with the definition of the English word DEBATE before you continue to re-define the word in question.

C. You have presented evidence which has disproven your own previous claim: "A true intellectual studies not one field, but many. And you show knowledge in only one field, so a feather in your cap regarding KMT…albeit a small feather." Thank you.

Your first link documents a debate concerning Dravidian/Indian culture,not ancient KMT,this destroys your previous claim.

D. The fact you have gone out-side of this forum in a attempt to acquire ammunition against me contradicts the foundation of your case.It's like presenting lies in an attempt to prove me a liar.

E. Truth exudes confidence..where is yours?

~~The being documented in the Christian bible known as Jesus Christ is a fictional character based on the lives of various much older deities and a hand full of living men.~ This is your opinion, as this topic is still being debated, so correcting others with this statement is brash at best.~

A.The Fact that my position is supported by Actual EVIDENCE dis-qualifies it from being OPINION as you have claimed. (Note: Opinions are not supported by factual evidence.)

B. Why are you bringing arguments into this forum which do not belong here..grow up.

~It appears that you do this more often than not. Correcting others' opinions with your own opinions is not the way it works.~

There is no evidence to support this fictitious claim.

This is the funny part:

In an attempt to keep a personal argument going between you and I,you have only proven yourself to be all of the things which you have accused me of being.

Your post have degenerated from: ADDING TO THE SUBJECT OF THIS TITLE.

To: NAME-CALLING AND PERSONAL VENDETTAS WHICH HAVE NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THIS TITLE.

Furthermore: I have no problem debating the topics being discussed under this title,but further participation in this personal argument which you no doubt seem to be intent on continuing does not concern me.

Do not count on my reply to any further examples of the above.

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Not 1 but 2,not 2 but 3..

I guess I don’t mind…

Hmmmmm. Just read a very interesting report on the origin of “Sequenenre” in the book “The Atlantis Blueprints” by Colin Wilson and Rand Flem-Ath. The authors suggest that the Egyptian pharaoh, Sequenenre, was in fact none other that the Jewish architect known as “Hiram Abif”, who was the fellow responsible for designing the Temple of Solomon. My mind just
went “click”….King David, Solomon….ohhhhhhhhhhhh! Merovingian bloodlines, dear?

Ah yes….the Rennes-le-Chateau thing. Let’s see, yep. There it is, right in thee old recall. That “Jesus” however was certainly not the one I knew who was called The Lamb. I knew the Rennes-le-Chateau guy back in Jerusalem as “The Melchizedic Priest King” and he was the guy who had a whole lot of early Christians murdered who were capable of recognizing Jesus on sight. This began happening just hours after I ran back and told others about seeing Yeshuas' body rise in the cave. The Melchizedic Priest King, after murdering many of my friends, then began preaching along the river Jordon, claiming to be the resurrected Christ. The pig always was a liar and a murderer. But I have to give him credit for being smart. I found it incredibly distasteful however, to read in “Holy Blood, Holy Grail,” that the Jesus of Rennes-le-Chateau alluded to the Jesus who did get crucified as nothing but “a deluded patsy”. Oh yeah? Then how in the hell do you explain me?

I am not the Magdalene of the Priory de Sion story. No way. I didn’t much like that jerk, and neither did the Jesus I knew. Ohh. And by the way honey, the one I knew was NOT a 4 1/2 foot tall hunchback either. I have no clue whom you are talking about there, but I do not do 4 ½ foot tall hunchbacks. Never have, never will.

However, in this life, I did meet a VERY interesting Priory member. Do you remember how, in “Holy Blood Holy Grail” there was some mention of their membership being involved in some way with the huge European Insurance conglomerate called “Royal Guardian Assurance” which owns about ¾ of the worlds’ insurance companies? And how Plantard alluded to a mysterious but “troublesome” American contingency connected to the Priory? For about 8 months I regularly saw a man of European birth who said, “You don’t know who I am, do you? I OWN Royal Guardian Assurance!” He as well mentioned living next to a “Chateau in the south of France” where “mysterious papers” were found. I had no idea what he was talking about, until years later, when I would read “Holy Blood, Holy Grail.” But boy, can I dish out the dirt on what that guy was up to! Talk about hidden control systems and behind the scenes covert manipulation of the planets’ money system! Yowza. This guy was big time….

An Aries, eh? You show a remarkable amount of calmness and restraint for your average Aries. You study Astrology much? You are pegged as the hotheaded child of the zodiac, but you certainly don't come across as that.

Would you give me your birth time and place? I would like you create your natal chart, I am curious as to what it looks like. It may hold clues as to how you have gained your abilities.

Don't get me wrong - I am no expert astrologer. To gain that knowledge would have consumed years of my life which I chose not to get into. And the info gained from such charts can fill a book. But the patterns the charts show and certain planetary relationships are still enlightening.
Besides, I kind of collect birth charts.

I’m not sure we’re even talking the same language; it seems you’ve missed my point on virtually all occasions. This conversation is futile.

~The Fact that my position is supported by Actual EVIDENCE dis-qualifies it from being OPINION as you have claimed.~

Not strictly true. Given the fact that all the evidence on this topic in neither complete nor conclusive means that any conclusions drawn are incomplete, and thus not the whole truth. This is virtual opinion, even though there is evidence to support, there is also evidence to refute. So the truth you state can be refuted, and thus is not true. What remains then, is opinion.

~Your evidence doesn't support your case, for neither link presents evidence of NAME-CALLING~

As I stated above, it doesn’t seem that you have a solid grasp of my point. I wasn’t referring to name-calling, I was referring to the fact that your conversations are not true debates; they are more along the lines of heated arguments. They carry little or no diplomacy. A debate does. THAT was my point, nothing on name-calling, nor on the fact that no real evidence is presented.

But this seems to be futile; being that you keep missing my point, and then trying to refute an idea that I wasn’t even presenting indicates to me that there exists no reason for this to continue.

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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge".

Not ignoring you, want you to know that I'm going to respond, but just got swamped with work; I don’t hold responding to Measure over responding to you. I'll respond soon. Apologies for the delay.

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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge".

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Absolutely I am. It is why I am such an arrogant ass and can quickly and assuredly identify that attribute in others.
In fact, at the moment of my birth the Sun, the Moon, and Mercury were all within a single degree of each other in the sky - all in Leo - a triple conjunction called a stellium. In astrology we deal with all the planets of the solar system plus the sun and moon, a few fixed 'calculated' points called point of fortune, north and south nodes of the moon.They all also fall in my eight house on the chart - the house of death, afterlife and transformation. My research has only mentioned that people who have a stellium are 'very complex people'
Like I needed to know that.

Who invented astrology? I can't tell you who the current breed of astrologers think invented it, only that it predates all 'known' science. The precession of the equinox, which is some of the math used in laying out Giza (most likely) is based upon astrology. We are currently in the age of Pisces, meaning that when the sun rises on the vernal equinox it rises in the sign of Pisces. This shifts backwards at the rate of one degree per 72 years - resulting in a change of this sign once every 2160 years (roughly - these numbers are not exact).
Jesus was born right around the time the shift from Aries to Pisces. Before this, during the time of Aries - whose symbol is a Ram - a great deal of cultural art and symbolism was dedicated to the ram. Before that was Taurus, and this was when the cult of the Bull was prominent. The Pyramid's alignments mirror exactly the positions or the three stars in Orion's belt when this constellation was lowest in the sky - during the age of Leo ;-) - right around 11,000 BC. And this is just the tip of the iceberg so our ancestors have always seemed to have known this kind of information. It would leave little doubt in my mind that astrology is as old as the human race itself - perhaps older.

Astrology is really more of an art than science, but tons of math go into it. It can tell you your tendencies, not neccessarily your absolute truths.

Besides, I think all known recorded and mythical cataclysms were most likely a result of something other than a God - this planet has suffered more than 170 known and verifiable magnetic pole reversals in the previous 80 million years - the theory of crustal displacement, where the whole surface of the earth slips around the mantle like the skin of an orange, is very real to me and if that happened - whoa, that would shake things up everywhere BAD. Meteorites flying around the universe. There are dozens of things which point to our own unstable ball of rock flying around the sun at 1000 miles a second as the true culprit to our demise, past and future. Yet nearly every myth points at Gods for it. I just don't buy it. I know in my heart what God is and how he feels towards us and a written record of him does not exist. At least I haven't found it in any traditional religious or historical texts yet. They all have wrathful destructive Gods. The closest theories I've heard are all from people who have lived within the last 100 years, most of them live today and are normal people, NOT priests. Of course, we are all a little different but those differences are overlookable (that's not a word).
The main thrusT is Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You, Turn the Other Cheek unless absolutely unavoidable, and FEAR NOT for yourself. I think its perfectly fine to fear for others - encouraged, even.
God will just reincarnate you back to this planet of the apes after you die if you mess up too often or don't get it (to put it simply). Try again, learn more. Frankly, a situation I wish to avoid is possible (even though I'm sure I can't yet no matter what happens - I'm too young)

Doesn't matter if you eat fish on Friday or work on Sunday.
Doesn't matter what you call God, how you pray, when you pray, what you pray to or indeed if you don't pray at all.
Doesn't matter who you like, who you talk to, who you share your views with, who you have sex with.
There is no plane of fire or Hell where you have to spend an eternity suffering - we suffer plenty here.
Doesn't matter if you think the world is flat and the Sun revolves around us.
The big no-nos: DON'T KILL PEOPLE. And remarkably a lot of people miss that one. And that includes killing yourself. DON'T BE DECEITFUL. No lying, no cheating, no stealing. Again, welcome to corporate America where these things are everyday realities. DON'T USE PEOPLE. That one's a bit esoteric, but I've already written a novel again, so if you disagree I'll agrue another time. Beyond that, do what you like. These principles are ignored time and time again by most world religions. So I say they are all (for the most part) full of kaka.

And really its simple even though doing those things is enormously difficult, because it usually means being poor, having no power, or being constantly abused by the myriads of people who ignore these rules. Indeed I have broken the rules a lot - I haven't killed anyone, but I have considered suicide many many times in my life. But of course, I'm still here to annoy everyone. And I plan to be as long as possible these days. There is still much to learn...

astroleo976@yahoo.com

Send me your email address. I'll give you all the information I have. It's too much for here and it really isn't the place (we're supposed to be talking about Gods not specific Astrology)

Just a few things quickly - you are a forceful and magnetic person, easygoing and all around nice - but you can bring out the worst in people.

The final verdict would be on the order of 1000 words.

Can you stop shouting so much(aka writing in Caps)? Here and there, sure, but sheesh!

Its highly disruptive to fluid reading and a bit disracting.

Thank you, have a nice day.

“God will just reincarnate you back to this planet of the apes after you die if you mess up too often or don't get it (to put it simply). Try again, learn more. Frankly, a situation I wish to avoid is possible (even though I'm sure I can't yet no matter what happens - I'm too young)”

So, where is the choice there, Leo? What I am hearing you say then is only those who “don’t get it” are reincarnated? You know, over the last few years, I’ve heard lots of people promote that concept; Bramley, who wrote “The Gods of Eden”, immediately comes to mind. So “the answer” then is to simply cease reincarnating, let the vultures take over the planet, and “play god” over all the “fools” who continue to believe in the PHYSICAL creation of God? And here I mean the Greater, unfathomable, infinite God that is so apparent to any of us each time, for instance, we go to Hubble.com and look at this awesome, awesome, physical universe THAT incredible God has created. Are you saying that God is not for us to honor?

To me, I don’t understand where you are coming from here, because it seems to be a terribly irresponsible way to view physical creation. It’s the old “Oh well, who cares, I don’t HAVE to reincarnate again, so let everybody else deal with what’s happening” concept. How loving is that to your neighbors, who might actually WANT to reincarnate again, just to walk this Earth, make love to their soul mate, know the joy of holding their beautiful brand new baby in their arms, have a beer with their buddies, watch a plant grow, hug a tree, cook a great meal and invite friends over to share it, and all the wonderful things we can share? Are not those things a very valid way of honoring the Great God over us all?

To me, your statement seems to deny souls the FREEDOM to choose between the physical and non-physical realms, for are not each an expression of the Greater God?

Are you saying it’s okay for the Earth to continue to go through massive cataclysmic events over and over again, which throws 98% of ALL of humanity “back to the beginning” over and over again? If the Greater God over us all IS LOVE, then how does that compute? I don’t care WHAT people are preaching out there, cataclysmic disaster does NOT “just save the good” or just damn those who have “messed up.” It simply plunges EVERYBODY back to the beginning again. How does this equate to the “Love your neighbor as yourself” rule? Aren’t you and I neighbors? Have we not a mutual respect for each other’s souls? But it’s okay for you to just hang out in the non-physical realms, while all of human physical reality gets thrown back to another cave man existence? I remember at least FIVE of these massive cataclysms. And I assure you, my friend, I DO NOT like having to take my morning constitutional in the corner of a cave without benefit of toilet paper!

Come on, think about it Leo. Run what you have said through thee old gray matter a few more times. The concept simply does not compute with the old “Love your neighbor as yourself” rule…

As for assuming that ALL cataclysmic disasters are simply “natural” ones, don’t kid yourself, honey. (I will explain this further in other posts.) Do you think, that right now today, if such a disaster was looming in our future, that the hierarchy of military and political leaders, don’t have a plan for “lifting off” the planet? Don’t be naive. What do you think happened when Atlantis went down? It was Atlantis’s “hierarchy of military and political leaders” who became “the gods”!!

The idea is called pantheism. Maybe you should look it up before cutting it down.
It has alot to do with "love thy neighbor"

And it is not like you can "just hang out in the spiritual realm."

It has taken mankind a very long time to gain this "knowledge" and still only a few have it.

I'll give ya a quick run-down of the idea..

Every person and every thing in existance has an "essence" or an energy. Now, the combined sum of all that energy is god. Therefore, we are all like god but we are all below god.

This "idea" can explain alot of things (scientifically) that no other theological ideals cannot. ie, telepathy. The way this is done is "tapping" into this "collective energy" where information is infinite, by use of meditation or prayer.

This is why all religions have a form of meditation or prayer.

What I hear you saying then is that Pantheism is the concept that because we are all a part of the Greater God, each of us acts as a particular aspect of that personality. In concept, I rather agree with that; for I truly am an advocate of “the everybody gets a piece of the pie” paradigm that is primarily a very valid part of the Golden Rule.

My point is, that Pantheism has a “flip side” to it. The same concept can be grabbed hold of by the few to take “power over” the many. For instance, today, a new post to the forums was about the rumored NASA “Blue Beam” project, concerning the proposed New World Order scam undertaken by the few who have decided to play “top dog.” (I finally ended up printing this post, its 28 pages long & reading it all on screen is a drag). It is easy to embrace the concept of Pantheism, until you see it expressed by the few who would take power over the many. “Agent Scully” (whoever she is) might sound like a crackpot to some on the surface of things, but she is actually pointing to technologies that are very, very real today, and certainly within the power of KNOWN physics to accomplish. The use of these technologies is in the hands of a select few, and it’s potential for power over the many is absolutely real. Even though you and I, and 90% of the people of the world would NEVER wish to abuse technology in such a manner, all it takes is the 10% who WOULD use technology in such a manner to turn it into a scam that allows them to “play god” over the Earth.

This is nothing new, Inward View. It happened in antiquity, and it is happening today as well. Whether events will actually come down as Agent Scully suggests is an unknown. The point is, the technology to create a FALSE pantheon of “gods” truly does exist, and whenever ANY society, (be it today, or Atlantis, or the or the gods of Eden) has reached our present level of technological understanding, the potential for its’ abuse is self-evident.

The point is, "the good guys", or those who would NEVER abuse technology in such a fashion, get trashed, over and over again by the few who WOULD abuse those levels of
technology we are capable of today. To learn how to protect ourselves from such abuses, we have to at least have some understanding of how those technologies work. Hiding one's head in the sand and saying "Oh no. Nobody would ever do that!" is exactly what most of the Jews said, who actually stayed in Germany during Hitler’s rise to power. A lot of them ended up gassed to death in concentration camps, didn't they?

There are ALWAYS those who would abuse power. To me, the most LOVING thing we can do as part of the 90% who DO abhor such things, is learn how to protect ourselves from such abuses.

The technology to "play god" is a power that is quite apparent in today's level of science. We can't just all lay down and not fight to protect ourselves, for if we do, truly, we damn our children and our children’s children to a life of total enslavement. We cannot protect ourselves from it if we don't understand how it works, can we?

"The Law of One" (Pantheism under a monotheistic structure in the hands of the few) is precisely what the New World Order is all about. It's what the Old World Order was all about too. Read "The Ra Material". Those concepts; that of a Pantheon of gods acting as one, are embraced by many who believe it is a good thing, but the dark side of what those concepts can represent, is being acted out by the New World Order.

I believe there is a plane of existence above that which we would consider 'the afterlife'. I see it as we are on the bottom rung of a very long ladder, so to speak. Maybe not the very bottom rung, but close enough for now.
I believe our freedom of choice only extends to a point. We are part of the system and therefore cannot escape it. Once our soul has been created the only way to truly 'die' or cease to exist is to have God himself destroy it - which I'm fairly certain he just won't do. In any case, he has a purpose for each of us, and the whole point of the cycle of the soul is to learn what this is and fulfill it.
We have to take responsiblility for all of our actions and their repercussions in this world and the next. Therin lies the freedom of choice. We can choose to accept our responsibilities, or blame everyone else and not accept it. Upon death we are informed (that's not quite the right term but I can't think of a better one right now) of all the things we did that adversely affected our universe and the other beings within it. Now I think we don't neccessarily have to reincarnate. We have a choice there every time. But if we want to continue to learn, to continue up the ladder and discover more about ourselves and our God, we must reincarnate to learn more and refine what knowledge we already have. I believe we play a role, or choose, how and when we will be so reincarnated.
In an oversimplified parallel, its like school. We can choose not to go to school, but doing so (especially in today's age) will result in a much more difficult life. Okay, so once we accept this, we go to school. Sucks, but the rewards outbalance the negatives. As we advance through school, we gain the ability to choose which classes we attend. So it is with our lives. We can choose who and how we re-enter this physical plane. Of course, once here we have millions of choices to make - all without (for the most part) the benefit of council of our higher beings. And this is truly the best way to learn - get out there and do it. This also has parallels throughout our lives here in the physical plane. Our future is ours to mold.
Those beings who have chosen to deny their own responsibility and refuse to accept the fact that life is a gift can in fact choose to lord over the others, as you put it. These souls cannot advance very far.
Why would any soul want to 'advance?' Well, it seems ingrained in all souls. Every human I have ever talked to wishes to better themselves. How and why and when is up to them. It can be done the 'good' way - through love, acceptance of ourselves within God's plan, helping others achieve their own objectives. Or it can be done the 'evil' way -accumulation of material assests and power over others. The choice is always yours. Remarkably, if every soul was accepting and loving, God would no longer need to be and our universe would cease to exist. It it the struggles created by this basic conflict which make us ask 'WHY' and therefore drive our learning.
It seems to me that many souls like yourself, whom I'll call the Elder Souls, have perhaps gained enough wisdom to go up. I believe many choose to return - to help those who have not.

I will accept the thought that the desire to not reincarnate is irresponsible. Is is an earmark of my youth as a soul and as a human and my sometimes lack of faith of my own ability to do what God has set me out to do. The system is enormous and at times overwhelming. There are times I say to myself and God "Screw it, let them sort it out. They don't need me." The response is love, sympathy, and a small amount of disappointment, along with the notion that yes, we are ALL needed to do our part and complete God's Grand Plan (which I have no idea what it is).

Please do not confuse the concepts of worship (which is what I think of when I consider the word pray) and honor. To honor God is to choose to accept Him and yourself within Him, and to have faith in yourself and the future, not to ask him for every little thing you want. I pray - I ask for guidance, but I understand that all the keys to knowledge lie within myself, and that every decision I make impacts my own future.

I believe I have certain negative thoughts because that is human nature and to truly understand and help those who rail against their reality you must first stand in their shoes. I have done this - in many ways I continue to do this. So when I see others causing pain and rejecting their responsibilities, I can understand. I can also communicate my ideas to them from their point of view. This is all part of being a new incarnation.
Every system in the physical universe has certain laws. Laws that apparently are never broken. So in a way, once we're created as a soul we must remain part of the system somehow. God will not commit suicide. From there, everything else, and I mean everything else, comes down to our own choices.

Pehaps global destruction is nessessary - to wipe the slate clean, so to speak. The real key is if we can effectively transmit our knowledge to our future generations. Frankly, we have almost exhaused our resources on this planet - shortly we will not longer be able to support a population of 1 billion, much less 7 billion.

I can accept that Atlantis' leaders became the 'Gods'

Is it okay that earth's population is erased every now and again? Well, yes and no. Yes because this is not an unusual thing for a ball of rock rocketing around a star at 1000 miles a second with eight (or more) or balls of rock, each with its satellites buzzing around it. No because we should expect is and should have by now taken steps to temporarily evacuate. If humanity as a whole had decided to heed the warnings of the ancients long ago instead of worrying about power, control and accumulation of personal wealth, we could have colonies and space stations all over the place. We have simply blindly ignored all the warnings and assumed this planet will always be safe. God loves us but he's not going to alter the basic nature of his universe to save us - it was always our responsibility to do it ourselves. That would make life too easy - and indeed would remove freedom of choice. Our race has chosen to be erased - again. You didn't make this choice, I didn't, many didn't. But as a race we unfortunately did.

Focus, Daniel-San, Focus!

Funny, I always imagined use of such power would feel, well, different. And it doesn't until I'm done. Either way, I can hardly keep my concentration right now. I need a nap.

U stated "every english word you speak is Masonic terms", The english we speak is made up of every other language. Our Alphabets are fake. Like I said, SPELL-ING.
I also know that judges are Masons. This country is run by Reptilians. I said that you are a Mason because you continually suck on their doctrines like a baby feeding on milk. You argue or try to correct everyone in this forum. If you are not a Mason, then just say you wany to be one. Don't be scared to admit you are a Luciferian, after all Lucifer is the "bright morning star" to you isn't he? All Masonic doctrines are stolen from Egipt(Africa) and you know it. If you want to be technical, I don't think Egiptians had a religion, the only Pharoah I knew that had an IDEA who God was is Tut-ankh-amen, and he was killed for it if you ask me. Reptilians had Egiptians fooled too with pyramid building and so on. Tut=image, ankh=eternal life/living, amen=GOD (spirit hidden) "Image of the living God".
Oh! My Bad, Masonry is not a religion, but you are learning scriptures out of a bible with CHRIST all in it. OOPS again! the bible is masonic doctrine, but they dont want to make "Christian" folks Masons. They just rather let them go on in UN-TRUTHS. By the way I think Tut was killed because he had the power to make Egipt worship AMEN (just like the government has the power to make us worship "the bright morning star"). CATCH MY DRIFT?

Careful, Anu. True leaders of men do not 'make' people do anything. They speak and people listen. They lead and others follow.
English, Spanish, German, Japanese, Italian. Almost all of today's languages are based upon elder tongues. They are not fake, merely recycled.

~you continually suck on their doctrines like a baby feeding on milk.~
~I did not expect you to understand a word of my post. And sorry, but I don't feel like explaining it to you.~
~How old are you 2, 10,12,~
~Your more than frequent used of childish name-calling speaks volumes about your intellect.~
~Your blindness beggars belief.~

The above are but a few examples of the blatant disrespect you have for each other. Insulting the intelligence of any being is not going to gain you any respect, nor advance your ideas any. I understand none of you were not speaking to me, but you nevertheless offended me. I'm sure if you had thought about it you could have phrased yourself completely differently and still gotten your point across. I can understand your frustration, but please try and control your tone and language. Please don't tell me to stay out of it (I'm somehow sure this extends way way back), I am a member of this community now and I read every post, no matter who they are addressed to. Regardless of how you feel, please be civil. Even if the other guy threw the first punch.

Please.

Now, you may all insult or berate me if it makes you feel better. I'm quite used to it. But try not to do it in front of the other people here. They don't deserve it no matter what they say or do.

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Here's my email. Attack away.

(Well how about that my first negatively toned post)