posted 02-01-2003 20:29         

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hehe....If you only knew what i have been so fortunate to experience. Things science could never explain. I suggest you do a little research on Chi, or Chi-gung.

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I already have. Tons of it. It may be new and extraordinary for you, but I'm rather underwhelmed by it.

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What would you say if i told you that a chi-gung master could change matter, for instance, a plate into a cookie Or what if i told you a chi-gung master could heal cancer or anything of the like.

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I would say he could be rich! Why not take 1 million dollars? http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

There is a reason nobody has yet claimed that prize.

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There are many things science cannot explain.

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Such as?

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You cannot test your bodys chi with some machine.

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Nor can you prove to me that it even exists to be tested in the first place.

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But it does not mean that it doesnt exist.

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It suggests it.

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As to evolution... (once again i suggest reading the book by Michael J. Behe-Darwins Black Box, and Forbidden Archeology by Cremo and Thompson.)

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I read them both. They are misleading, unscientific, speculative piles of junk.

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first of all archeopoteryx if it is real (big if)

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It IS real. Did you not read the links TomB gave you?

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is one of should be millions of types of fossils showing transitions.

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There are. Every single fossil is showing you a transitional species. We, at this moment, are a transitional species. You have to have a solid grasp of the fossil record to see the transitions taking place. It doesn't happen overnight, it happends over millions of years.

By the way, did you hear about the new dinobird they just discovered? Microraptor, I think it is called. Read this: http://www.jpinstitute.com/news/jn_micror_four.jsp

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There are only five in one general area.

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Do you understand how fossilization takes place and how rare fossils are? Probably only one in five thousand animals were fossilized, perhaps the odds were even worse.

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Personally there are just too many flaws and inexplicable parts of the THEORY of evolution.

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Yes, evolution is a theory. So is gravity. Do you not believe in gravity just because it is a theory? The theory of gravity has not been proven - nor will it ever be. Your comprehension of the word "theory" is very different from how scientists comprehend the word...

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Now i have no idea on how to explain what did happen, or our origins, but for myself i do not believe evolution.

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You don't understand evolution. Read those links.

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Theorys are based on observing things happening today. So i dont see and turtles with feathers etc.

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What use would a turtle have for feathers? Again, you're only showing us how little you understand of evolution. Personally, I feel your biology teachers should lose their jobs.

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Sharks, alligators, havent changed for millions of years. How does evolution explain that.

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They havn't needed to change. Evolution only takes place when it is necessary.

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Specifically human evolution i think is very different. Evolution cannot explain us.

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Why not?

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Our civilisation appeared out of nowhere. We should still be very primitive according to the theory.

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Huh? What does the theory of evolution say about the rise of civilization? Actually, our civilization appeared very slooooooowly. It took 95,000 years for the conditions to be perfect enough to allow civilization to slowly take root.

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Australopithicus(?) is no more than a mere cousin, much like the variations in dogs.

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Uh...so? Homo Erectus is a direct ancestor, probably the ancestor from which Homo Sapien developed. What does Australopithicus have to do with our evolution? It was on its own course of evolution and died out because it couldn't adapt to its enviornment.

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You mock my age, but why does that matter (maybe if i was 12)? I am fully able to understand the same things you can.

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Then take the time and put the effort in to understanding evolution.

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Simply put you (pete) are a very rigid person. You constantly put down others any chance you get. Ive read some of your other posts, your a jerk to people. You refuse to beleive (or even attempt to understand thier view) anything out of your completely scientific world.

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I'm honest to people. I don't waste time, I get to the point and give the facts. I refuse to believe in anything without a reason to. I don't warp history to comfort my own personal insecurites, as some here do. I'm after the truth and on a quest of learning - not entertainment.

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Your as narrow as a religious freak! Being one hundred percent with science is the same as being 100% with religion, you need balance. Science is important dont get me wrong. But science will never explain everything. There is more there.

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Science is just a way of thinking...

"...the scientific cast of mind examines the world critically, as if many alternative worlds might exist, as if other things might be here which are not. Then we are forced to ask why what we see is present and not something else. Why are the Sun and moon and the planets spheres? Why not pyramids, or cubes, or dodecahedra? Why not irregular, jumbly shapes? Why so symetrical, worlds? If you spend any time spinning hypotheses, checking to see whether they make sence, whether they conform to what else we know. Thinking of tests you can pose to substantiate or deflate hypotheses, you will find yourself doing science." -- Carl Sagan

posted 02-01-2003 21:18         

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I'm honest to people. I don't waste time, I get to the point and give the facts.

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I'm after the truth and on a quest of learning - not entertainment.

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posted 02-01-2003 21:54         

*shurg*

posted 02-01-2003 22:49         

But khulkmeister, please state one of your beliefs, concisely, in one sentence.

Just humor me, I want to prove a point to you.

The post immediately following your response, I am going to make a post stating that there is no evidence for your belief. Then I will quote from a couple of books to give myself credibility. You will be powerless to argue against me.

Then, I will wake up.

You see, Senioritis, you cannot make evidence go away by denying it exists. There is a difference between not knowing about it and denying it.

And before the Conspiracy Theorists jump all over this, the evidence has to actually exist and be substantiated by the vast majority of the respected and esteemed scientific community, not be derived by ONE MAN's 'interpretation' of symbols or obtained by closing your eyes and wishing really hard.

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posted 02-02-2003 22:49         

I would say he could be rich! Why not take 1 million dollars? http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

There is a reason nobody has yet claimed that prize.

Why not. Because a true healer would never be that materialistic. Not everyone lives for money my friend. It would also take away from the healer's time helping patients, which is the real goal,not using the energy to bolster an ego and pocketbook.

Peace.
Love.
Light.

posted 02-03-2003 12:29         

There are, no doubt, many species we have not found yet.

The problem with bigfoot is that the question of its existance can only be answered by finding one. So far we haven't. There are legends and there are sightings, but nothing concrete. There is enough to suggest something and make people look harder (which many people have been doing over the years) but nothing definitive.

People who have seen the creature know what they think they have seen. No one else does. That doesn't make them wrong and it doesn't make them right. It's hard to guage credibility of witnesses any more because we know that there have been hoaxes, not only in the case of bigfoot but other mystery monster cases such as Nessie.

About the only thing that would convince me is either for me to see one personally, which would be personal proof that I would not expect to be proof for anyone else) or for us to actually find a specimen, living or dead.

posted 02-03-2003 12:50         

One day you will reaslise that what you call reality is in fact a dream and what you understand to as the spiritual side and unproved, is in fact the reality.

As for you inability to understand Chi and being rather underwhelmed by you researches, that is your problem. You are not even one quarter way through your allotted time in this incarnation, you have a lot to learn.

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You will never find proof that big foot etc. exist. They are earth spirits and you will not find physical proof as they are not part of the physical realm. Although they do move in the material plane, occasionally people see them, often people smell them and sometimes in their movement around the material plane they leave and physical impression.

posted 02-03-2003 13:47         

Just more belief rooted in personal insecurity to make the world more magical than it is and comfort himself.

Oneferu, if I had to assign any religion to myself, it would be Taoism. I've studied it for years, read the Tao Te Ching dozens of times, studied Tai Chi, Qi'gong, etc. They're great for centering yourself, but they aren't mystical sources of divine healing.

I find it absolutely comical that you, on that spiritual pedistal of yours, know exactly what I believe, comprehend and value.

It is also extremely comical how easily those in the west are influenced by the impressions of the east imposed on us by pop culture. The ancient secrets of the east...etc...it's all so mysterious, so magical, etc, etc.

Boring. I've heard it all before. What you see as "deep", I see as simple.

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posted 02-03-2003 16:22         

I realize you're pretty young and have only been exposed to this for a short time, so you're probably pretty excited about it - it is all new to you. I can assure you, however, you havn't articulated anything I've not heard before. Nothing "deep", interesting or terribly enlightening.

I would also suggest you go back to the books and learn about Taoism and Buddhism. Your understanding of it seems to be based on what you've been told, and you're believing it without question.

There are no "beliefs" in Taoism. It is a process of thought, a practice to find emotional, mental and spiritual balance. It isn't magical. Stop watching Karate Kid.

posted 02-03-2003 18:26         

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What you see as "deep", I see as simple.

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It is interesting that you require others to provide proof of their assertions, something which requires exact wording and detail, yet you can so easily draw a conclusion and state it as a fact yourself. For example “I find it absolutely comical that you, …, know exactly what I believe, comprehend and value”. Now exactly where did I state that?

I’ve had these discussions with you in the past, the last one I recall you managed to incorrectly twist your own words until you described yourself as having a minuscule intellect.

Odd isn’t it that there are many who study these subjects for years and still don’t claim to understand its full extent, but you in your early 20’s contend to have a greater understanding of all of these subjects than, it would appear, anyone else posting on this forum. Now that would appear to be drawing conclusions about that everyone else knows and believes.

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Proof that what we call reality is a dream, or that Big Foot is an earth spirit?

posted 02-03-2003 20:11         

Again, you're confused. Where have I said I understand anything spiritual? I've said, several times in fact, that I have BELIEFS but I am contantly questioning them and always willing to acknowledge that my spiritual beliefs are exactly that - beliefs. NOT facts.

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posted 02-03-2003 23:39         

I’m confused? If I am it is only due to your questionable ability to comprehend and respond in a cohesive manner.

You have now introduced to the conversation the statement “ Where have I said I understand anything spiritual?”. What has that question got to do with any of the postings to date? Your often berate others for not reading things carefully, yet to fail to do so yourself.

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If an earth spirit is going to manifest itself on the material plane, what form do you think it would take? A blob, a bird, a lion, an upright walking creature, or will it appear in a form that it recognisable to you a human.

Don’t forget that spirit has no material form, a perceived image of spirit is a combination of the form that the spirit chooses to project and the perception of the individual.

Take for example your expectation if you meet in the forest the spirit of mother earth. Would you expect to come across a female 12’ brown bear, or do you have some other image in mind. How she would manifest herself to you would be a combination of your expectation and the image she chooses to project to a human.

posted 02-04-2003 07:06         

I often find that people with a spiritual ego like yourself are some of the most overwhelmed, frightened individuals in the world. They're afraid of everything, so the comfort themselves by believing they're a spiritual guru and have all the answers to life's mysteries.

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You have now introduced to the conversation the statement “ Where have I said I understand anything spiritual?”. What has that question got to do with any of the postings to date? Your often berate others for not reading things carefully, yet to fail to do so yourself.

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Follow along, we shouldn't have to hold your hand. You've said, several times in fact, that I don't understand the spiritual side of things. Well, wake up - neither do you. Nobody does and nobody will until they die. Belief does not = fact. Your beliefs are just that: beliefs, and are no more valid than anyone elses - even an athiest's. Get over yourself, the only person you're impressing is your own ego.

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Regarding statements made by myself, a fact is “Something believed to be true or real”.

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WRONG - that is a BELIEF. A fact is something which can be demonstrated to be real.

Again, you give us your spiritual beliefs (which are neither unique, adept or deep, mind you) as fact. They are NOT facts, they are simply your beliefs. Why should we take your beliefs more seriously than others?

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You are a classic example of one bound to the material plane, if you cannot verify it with one of the five material senses, then it doesn’t exist.

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Here we go again, the fightened, overwhelmed guru telling other people where they are on a spiritual level. Frankly, Oneferu, you're an IDIOT and you don't know what you're talking about.

If I am bound by the "material plane", as you put it (again, it is only a belief that there is more than one "plane", not a fact - so don't state it as such), why would I believe in things like reincarnation, Oneness, karma and the like? Surely these aren't philosphies that one who is bound to science believes in, are they? Perhaps you were wrong about me, your spiritual highness?

I believe in the things listed above, but I acknowledge that they are only beliefs - not facts. Reincarnation is not a fact, although I believe in it. The same with Oneness and Karma. You'll never see me lecturing others about spirituality because the truth is we just don't know - I can give you my beliefs, but why are my beliefs more valid than yours when NOBODY knows, beyond doubt, the real truth?

Having faith in a belief system does not qualify it as fact. Certainty is a form of fascism. You should always question the validity of your beliefs, otherwise you halt your ability to take in more and adapt to new ways of thinking. Thinking, I believe, is your problem.

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Perhaps you would do well to first determine the meaning of life and why you’re here in the first place.

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I suppose you have that one all figured out, your spiritual highness?

I have my BELIEFS of what the meaning of life is and why I'm here, but who the hell am I to lecture anyone else, or tell someone else what to believe? When it is unprovable, my beliefs are just as valid as ANYONE elses.

Get over yourself.

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posted 02-04-2003 09:52         

Yes, I *believe* in karma. I also believe in honesty. I would rather someone give it to me as it is rather than sugar-coat it in fear my sensitivites. If I believe you're brilliant, I'll let you know. If I believe you're an idiot, likewise, I'll let you know.

Not many people have the honesty to say what they're thinking. I figure that if I'm big enough to think it, I'm big enough to let you know about it. I would expect the same in return.

Honesty is something I respect, and expect.

posted 02-04-2003 10:41         

It pains me to know that I agree with a lot of what you guys say in rebuttal to some of these posts.Some of it,like Tom B said is down-right funny.I actually laugh but then I catch myself and wipe the grin off my face.

Having said that,you two guys are still obnoxiously abrasive.No offense man,we all have it to some degree.

posted 02-04-2003 13:02         

Indeed there is not much else more entertaining; except maybe things exploding with the fire and the heat and the burning oh my.

Bigfoot.

Does not exist except in the imagination of the gullible and in the pocketbooks of those pulling the shenanigans.

Yeti.

posted 02-04-2003 18:59         

Any forum discussion with your self is a fruitless and torturous exercise. But lets continue.

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Regarding statements made by myself, a fact is “Something believed to be true or real”.

WRONG - that is a BELIEF. A fact is something which can be demonstrated to be real.

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“Reincarnation is not a fact, although I believe in it.”, that makes it a fact. Read the dictionary.

Now apart from that, demonstrated how? If you don’t have the facility to see the aura around a human body, then how does a person who can demonstrate it to you? Does this mean it doesn’t exist, or that it doesn’t exist to your satisfaction.

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Well, wake up - neither do you. Nobody does and nobody will until they die.

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I suppose you have that one all figured out, your spiritual highness?

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You've said, several times in fact, that I don't understand the spiritual side of things

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I often find that people with a spiritual ego like yourself are some of the most overwhelmed, frightened individuals in the world. They're afraid of everything, so the comfort themselves by believing they're a spiritual guru and have all the answers to life's mysteries.

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posted 02-05-2003 03:51         

Don't worry about Peter, I think the following quote sums up the situation there.

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Those who speak in continuous condemnation of others have the flame of their own condemnation burning within themselves; thus do they seem to see it reflected in those with whom they are in contact."

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The wise man never denies a possibility, but continues searching until he has made of his problem a living fact or a dead fantasy. Then only will his mind be at rest through the knowledge he has gained in his quest for truth.

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The wise man is always seeking more knowledge, and in his searching will not scorn what, at first sight, may seem to be at variance with established opinions, lest in so doing he lose a jewel of wisdom worth more than all the treasures of the Earth.

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posted 02-05-2003 10:43         

I told you why I won't reply to your posts - I don't bother reading them.

posted 02-05-2003 12:52         

I am God. You are one of my errant children who has lost his way, and has chosen this forum to express dissent. I am humoring you for the time being, but soon I will withdraw and force you to seek me out on my terms in order to know my love and grace once again.

That is a FACT. I believe it.

Also, foolish mortal, if believing something makes it a fact, then disbelief makes it NOT a fact.

posted 02-05-2003 13:25         

doesn't convince me though.

although I wish there was such a bigfoot creature

I agree with Ciochon

"My biggest problem is there's no evidence, other than conjectural hair and these footprints, some of which we know are faked," Ciochon said.

They have never found any of these hair samples to be that of a lost primate species. If they did it would have been world news.

I can fake footprints. Create a height and a weight and use a man as a model for a frame type and WA-LA you'll have most of the measurements necessary to fake, pretty convinvingly, footprints. I mean just copy your foot and super size it and there you go.

And I FEEL the same as Schaller: