"By and by the entire land of the planet was populated, by the central first family - called The Aser - and all their descendants; called The Vaner. The structure of the social/economical and "political" relations were a mere reflection of the family-structure and -culture, where everybody owed their dues to all fellow men, often literally being "brothers and sisters".

During eons of time a growing humanity upheld a certain plan of growth, reflected in a "breeding-system". Today we might think that there is only ONE way of "natural reproduction" - which is reflected by the modern nucleid ("2.2") family.

Now, the saga tells about how the first human beings already had a "plan" to create a huge, planetary family of man. Now, in the Root-language ("fenno-swedish") the word "et" means "One" and/or "Family". Thus they gave the global family the name "Plan-et", today synonymous to "Globe" and "Earth".

In this organic growth every new born child were really and duly welcomed to this life, duly because all individuals were born into a certain place within their family, who in turn was linked to the nobility and thus the first family - The Aser. Thus all sons of Per (Okko, Odin, Neptune,Posiedon, Shiva, etc.) where called Per-sons...

To make sure every individual was born inside a comprehensive, positive setting, already our earliest ancestors seem to have been acting with a high degree of care and responsibility. The saga-material is both consistent and wide in explaining these dimensions of the culture in question.

There is also a whole lot of detailed information on how the structure - or the strategy - of this original "plan" was looking, working and functioning. The primary goal seems to have been a "constitution" supporting every young soul with a rock-steady connection/position/situation - or "destiny" as we - somewhat mysteriously - call it today.

The base of this structure was a key-figure, a certain person, that EVERYBODY was related to - by birth, - genetically. This base was constructed by the very first man himself, appointing his 12th son to be his successor, that meant becoming the new children-maker of the family. Meanwhile the first eleven brothers always had other responsibilities and functions to serve, other than to reproduce. Thus we get the Bock-figure, also Lemminkainen/Balder/Pan/Bacchus who become the prime child-maker. First with a chosen or "elected" woman, that became his "Swan" to mother his first family. Later the women of the family elected three and three more women to bear children. Thus Balder could make 12 more sons and daughters, who evidently moved out of the first ringland, - to create a center for a new one just outside the old (first) one. The mothers of this lines where called stem-moders or "DISAs". Since all their children were sired by Balder, all the children of these DISAs were brothers/sisters through their father. As the children of the DISAs grew adult they started getting their due positions. One of them was becomming a "rabi" which was to walk out and start to develop the neighbouring land for inhabitation, then to populate it.

Thus the "rabis" got to be "landlords", with the duty to create a third class of people, called "earls". The earls and their women moved into each and every district of the land, creating a Manor. If they managed to settle succesfully they could have a "grand farm" which they later developed into many smaller farms. Thus the Earls had to have more sons and daughters - to populate and develop the land. Some of his sons were elected as Farmers (Peasants) - to become the child-makers of each Farm or "House".

Now; From the pole of Allfather (Neptun/etc.) we have HIS 12 sons with the Swan to be the next Aser-family. Then we have the Allfather's other children; with the 12 Disas. After some generations there are 360 different ringlands on the planet, requiring 360 stem-mothers, each to provide a Rabi, a Disa, a Jester as well as a Sibylla and other children to perform and maintain the connection between the central ringland and the rest of the planet. Thus did the Disas constitute the family of The VAN (sounds and means "ONE")- PI POLE as in "One People".

So we may see the ENORMOUS importance the stem-mothers had to the first spread of a world-wide population. Because of them did the old Aser - according to the Bock-Saga - place a name on the time/space they lived in - as long as that system worked. They picked on PA meaning The Pole/The PaPa/The Father, refering to Allfather himself.
As Allfather divides his seeds - containing his "Ra" ("genetics") - to all 360 "Disas", constituting One "Et", or "one One", "one family" or at least "a friendship". So the name of the period was to be called; "Pa-Ra-Dis-Et". (Can you figure this word, by the different elements and their meanings?!)

As long as this pyramidical breeding-system held forth the old rule for children-making kept rolling - for thousands, even millions of years. Hence Balder, the procreator, always get to be the 12th Son of the old Balder, chosen by nature itself, at the will of our first father, the first man on this planet that spoke. (And - mind you - not only a word or a stuttering sentence, but already a complete language. Not to mention that already our first father/mother where able to lead "distinguished and complete conversations". Shortly after - the general family-gossip had became the start of our entire history..."

(Riven, I am guessing here, but if "Balder, the procreator, always get to be the 12th Son of the old Balder" and likewise each child that is born in the hierarchy of the family has a name which is actually a position and pre-destined function in the community, then each generation's Balder takes on the responsibility for procreation etc, etc, etc, here is a perfect explanation for the extreme length of life accorded to the gods....Hmmmmm)

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"After eons of time the world had a cataclysmic catastrophe occuring, - as a large "asteroid" entered the atmosphere and eventually fell to the ground - in the Mexican Gulf - creating the preconditions for the following Ice-time.

As ice-time isolation (is-o-late? I wonder?)made the Arcticals pale so did it also create individual, personal and ethnical identities throughout the other regions/sub-continents. About 9500 years ago, just after ice-time, the arctical family finally got re-connected to the southern families. Only since then have we had the unifying mission clear and strong at hand - as we get to understand the scenery of the last 5-10.000 years.

As the Maoris, the Aboriginals, the Amazon Indians and the Chinese are all examples of tropical populations - surviving ice-time. Probably with some mix-in of arctical blood, - after ice-time - to recreate/reinforce the genetical premises for a linguistical and cultural re-union.

When the ethnologists today have different opinions to whether modern man popped up on different locations simultaneosly or if we arrive from only ONE origin (out of Africa) it may be tempting to say that they are BOTH right - and wrong...! Right?!"

To quote A.B. from the thread BOCK SAGA/ALT-LAND-IS:

"At the moment, do any of the participants in the forum even suspect the length, depth, breadth and quality of the utterly VAST support system forming the context in which we find a mon ki and a nanni vorhi playing their unique and timely roles in the singularity, the “genetic manipulation” if you will, that produced Frej and Freja?

(And of course we must go deeply into the sounds of their names, as well as the sounds in the names pertaining to where and when this unique event took place, i.e. the context in which this unique event could occur.

Hence we must understand a great deal about light, gravity, electro-magnetism, the solar system and of course, the nature of the Human being as but a part of and partaking in The Life Wheel exhibits cycles within cycles within cycles, displaying themselves upon a continuum nonetheless.

What else was going on upon the earth, the moon, the sun, within the solar system, in the moment the mon ki impregnated the nanni vorhi? What was happening geophysically? Electromagnetically? How was the air that day?

How much of that story is to be understood in ever more complex and integrated detail as we work our way ever deeper into the massive weight of the veritable “iceberg” supporting one small tippy tippy tippy at the top, when one mon ki meets one nanni vorhi?

At what point on what continuum of life wheel cycles within cycles did the mon ki and the nanni vorhi mate?

I would strongly suggest that any and all forum conversants reserve judgement on this issue until they have had the benefit of beginning to listen to and hear and learn the sound system, and in time themselves be able to employ it as being the extraordinary instrument that it is in beginning to understand and co-relate the fragments and vestiges yet extant of the global culture, the breeding and information system, made possible and facilitated by the ROT (ROOT) Sound System and the ROT and VAN languages built upon it."

And on and on....

Looking forward to your explanation,

Best regards

AGAMEMNON, the most powerful King of his time 1200 bC.

Is it coincidence that this name is familiar with the 1st letters of the 10 Kings of Atlantis.

AGAEMAEMAD.

Is it coincidence that since the Greeks disclosed this story to the world, that it shares many factors with their cultural roots.

I think not.

Who exactly was Atlas? We know some think he was from Ionia or Anatolia,and later related to Libya.

Could he have been Atreus?, or Aetolus 1?,or Aegialeus?

Atlas is said to have reigned in Arcadia and have been succeeded by Deimas, son of Dardanus 1, the king who is at the origin of the royal house of Troy.

But Atlas is also said to have ruled in northwestern Africa

What about this coincidence to Azaes,

Aezeius is one of the first kings of the Peloponnesus, father of Lycaon 6, father of Deianira 4, mother of the impious Lycaon 2

I'm willing to bet that Agamemnon and Nestor, became the strongest from the spoils of Crete,which was a great power around 2000 bC along with the Egyptian naval fleets,and that these people had good relations,The Minoans and the Egyptians.

I'm not implying that these are the same Kings of Atlantis, but that their bloodlines are linked, more directly than indirectly.

Here's an interesting battle say around 1470 bC;

Xuthus 1's other son Ion 1 waged instead war against King Selinus, who had inherited and enlarged the kingdom of Aegialeus 2. As this war was taking place, Selinus offered Ion 1 his daughter Helice 2, proposing to adopt him as son and successor. Ion 1 accepted this proposal, married Helice 2; in time he succeeded Selinus in the throne, founded a city Helice and called the inhabitants of his realm Ionians. When war between Athens and Eleusis broke up, Ion 1 was invited by the Athenians to be their leader in the war and he died in the battlefield. His descendants continued to rule the territory (Achaea) and were called Ionians.
http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Achaea.html

And this,

Eleusis, which stands on the Thriasian plain, is a city of Attica, on the Saronic Gulf, northwest of Athens, near the Isthmus of Corinth.

(Wouldn't this be an obvious location for Steles of Hercules?,the Isthmus of Corinth.)

The city of Eleusis was named after Eleusis, also called Eleusinus. Some have said that Eleusinus was the son of Ogygus, the Boeotian king who lost his land to the Phoenician immigrant or invader Cadmus, the founder of Thebes. Others told that Eleusinus was the son of Hermes and Daira, one of the OCEANIDS.

Eleusinus killed by Demeter

King Eleusinus, they say, married Cothonea and had by her a son Triptolemus, known for having sown Demeter's wheat in the whole inhabited earth, flying through the sky in a chariot dragged by winged dragons. When Demeter came to Eleusis looking for her daughter Persephone, she pretended to be a nurse, and taking care of little Triptolemus, she attempted to make him immortal by putting him in the fire. But when Eleusinus discovered her manipulations the goddess struck him dead [see also Demeter].

King Celeus 1

It has also been said that when Demeter came to Eleusis, the king of the city was Celeus 1, son of Eleusinus, and in this account, father of Triptolemus by Metanira. In any case, both Celeus 1 and Eleusinus are said to have died at the time when Demeter visited Eleusis.

Children of Celeus 1

Of the many children of Celeus 1 and Metanira, who are named Demophon 2, Triptolemus, Saesara, Diogenia 2, Pammerope, Clisidice, Demo 2, Callithoe and Callidice 3, no descent can be traced except for Saesara, who having married Coco, gave birth to Meganira.

Arcadian descent Meganira, some say, was the wife of Arcas 1, the son of Zeus and Callisto after whom Arcadia was named. But other women: Leanira, Chrysopelia, Erato 1 and Laodamia 3, among other unknown, are called wives of Arcas 1, and mothers of his sons and daughters.

War with Athens

During the reign of Erechtheus in Athens, war broke out against the Eleusinians, who were assisted by Eumolpus 1. Eumolpus 1 attacked Athens because, as he put it, that land belonged to his father Poseidon. But, however mighty his father was, Eumolpus 1 was defeated and killed by Erechtheus along with his son Ismarus 2 (also called Immaradus), who commanded the troops.

Childhood of Eumolpus 1

Eumolpus 1's mother was Chione 1, daughter of Boreas 1 (the North Wind) and Orithyia 2, the daughter of King Erectheus that was ravished by Boreas 1 [see WINDS]. Chione 1 was not proud of having been seduced by such a mighty god as Poseidon, and feeling shame or fear for her father, flung her son Eumolpus 1 into the sea. Poseidon, however, picked him up, and having taken him to Ethiopia, gave him to his daughter Benthesicyme to bring up.

Eumolpus 1 in Thrace

When Eumolpus 1 became a man, Benthesicyme's Ethiopian husband gave him one of his two daughters. But for Eumolpus 1 she was not enough, and so he tried to seduce his wife's sister. For that reason Eumolpus 1 was banished, and taking his son Ismarus 2 with him, he came to Thrace where Tegyrius reigned. This king gave his daughter in marriage to Ismarus 2, but ungrateful as they were, they plotted against Tegyrius, and being detected they emigrated to Eleusis. On the death of Ismarus 2, they say, Eumolpus 1 returned to Thrace, and being reconciled with Tegyrius, he succeeded to the kingdom.

The army of Eumolpus 1

When the war broke up then, the Eleusinians asked for military assistance, and Eumolpus 1 came with a large force of Thracians, but, some say, he was killed in battle by Erechtheus. Others have affirmed that it was his son Ismarus 2 who perished in that war. The commander in chief of the Athenians was Ion 1, grandson of King Erechtheus.

The mysteries adjudged to Eleusis

Ion 1 perished in the war as also did Ismarus 2, son of Eumolpus 1. When the war concluded without being fought out, it was agreed that Eleusis was to keep independent control of the mysteries, becoming the subject of Athens in all other matters. Eumolpus 1 was appointed to administer the mysteries, and after him, his own son Ceryx, and Celeus 1's daughters Saesara, Diogenia 2 and Pammerope.

Entangled versions
And as these matters are contradictory, Ceryx has also been called son of Hermes and Aglaurus 2, the daughter of Cecrops 1, an autochthon; and there are those who assert that Celeus 1 was no king but peasant. And of Erechtheus it has also been said that he was by birth an Egyptian, and that he became king of Athens for having brought from Egypy a great supply of grain when drought and the destruction of crops threatened Athens. And when this city then made his benefactor king, he instituted the Eleusinian mysteries, transferring their ritual from Egypt. But all these events being uncertain, it has been said that:

"Ancient legends, deprived of the help of poetry, have given rise to many fictions, especially concerning the pedigrees of heroes." [Pausanias 1.38.7.]

Phliasian version

The Phliasians, who lived near Sicyon close to the Isthmus of Corinth, have claimed that the mysteries were first established in Eleusis by Celeus 1's brother Dysaules, who was expelled from Eleusis by Ion 1 during the war. But some refuse to believe that these two were related, and say instead that the mysteries were taught by Demeter to Triptolemus, Diocles 2, and Celeus 1.

Some initiated

It was not lawful for foreigners to be initiated, and that is why Pylius became the adoptive father of Heracles 1 at Eleusis. Before being initiated, Heracles 1 needed also to be cleansed for the slaughter of the CENTAURS, many of which Poseidon hid coincidentally near Eleusis, and the one, they say, who cleansed Heracles 1 was Eumolpus 1. However, this sounds unlikely, for Eumolpus 1 lived before the times of Heracles 1. Others have said, therefore, that when Heracles 1 came to Eleusis, the initiatory rites were performed by Musaeus, called sometimes son of Orpheus, and at other times son of Antiophemus. In a similar way, when the DIOSCURI invaded Attica they demanded to be initiated in the Eleusinian mysteries, being adopted by Aphidnus 2. Yet others have said that the Eleusinian mysteries were opened to any Athenian or Hellene who wished to be initiated. In any case, the nature of the Eleusinian mysteries was never divulged.

Rites brought abroad

The mysteries and the rites were brought to other cities: For example Phlyus, who was a son of Gaia had a son Celaenus 1, who was father of Caucon 2, the man who brought the rites of the Great Goddesses from Eleusis to Messenia under the reign of Polycaon 1 and Messene. King Polycaon 1 was son of Lelex 2, the first king of Laconia, who is said to have come from Egypt.

Eleusis captured by Theseus

Eleusis, they say, was, on a later occasion captured from Megara by Theseus, after he had come to Athens, and in Eleusis he slew the Arcadian Cercyon 1, son either of Branchus and the Nymph Argiope 1, or of Poseidon and Amphictyon's daughter, or of Hephaestus.

The SEVEN buried at Eleusis

The graves of the SEVEN AGAINST THEBES were shown near Eleusis, and this burial, it is affirmed, was a favour that Theseus showed to Adrastus 1.
http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Eleusis.html

Troy,we remember,was well known for their horsetaming.(Elassipus region) That's why the Greeks thought to build the Trojan horse. The Tojan Pride got the best of them.

One issue which I think is more than a mere coincidence involves Cadmus, and in particular why he (and his Phoenician buddies) chose to settle IN THAT PARTICULAR PART OF GREECE.

quoting from your last post;
"The city of Eleusis was named after Eleusis, also called Eleusinus. Some have said that Eleusinus was the son of Ogygus, the Boeotian king who lost his land to the Phoenician immigrant or invader Cadmus, the founder of Thebes."

Let me point out something unique about this region which Cadmus seized and settled.

Around 100 AD the Roman empire accidentally stumbled upon "the secret art of Alchemy", and afterwards the Romans began roasting the soil in the region which Cadmus had settled (together with copper), to create "brass". Modern metalurgists believe the Romans did not understand the metal zinc, but nontheless they did notice that the region of Cadmeia had a unique soil, and provided the only way in which the Roman empire could create "brass". The soil of Cadmeia is what alchemists called "base material". And Brass is what the alchemists called "philosphical gold".

It seems to me that this secret (how to create brass) was discovered and subsequently "lost" several times in history.

Since Cadmus is said to have expelled Eleusinus from his ancestral home region, it seems likely that the Mysteries of Eleusis, at one time or another, included some explanation about the way to create "brass".

Furthermore, there is another interesting issue involved in the whole Cadmeian settlement theme.

The classical Phoenicians are not credited (by modern scholars) as existing prior to 1200 BC. But yet here we have Greek myths saying that the Phoenician alphabet was carried to mainland Greece around 1500 BC.

So it seems that Cadmus, in Greek myths, represents "canaanites" from the city-state of Ugarit. And when Ugarit was destroyed by the Sea Peoples around 1200 BC, that led to the phenomenon which modern scholars call Phoenicia.

Likewize, the end of a trade monopoly by Ugarit, in regard to brass, seems to be the underlying theme in Egyptian documents from Ramses III, which speak about Egypt importing a mystery metal called hmt from a region called Atika (or Attica).

Presumably the Athenians did not understand the metalurgy by which Ugarit and its Cadmeians had been creating brass (before Ugarit was destroyed ca 1200 BC); but nonetheless, the Athenians were willing to export the last stockpiles of that material to Ramses III.

I posted a new forum in regards to the 5 core races for my next novel about Atlantis. I can't make heads nor tails of anything in these long threads anymore. Please give me a push in the right direction as to which twins can be equated with which cultures in my thread called: Need help with lineage connections to these cultures.

I'd really appreciate any and all available input as to how they relate to the 5 sets of twins, that and to make sure I didn't boo-boo.

Our latest PDF download 46 in Atlantis Rising raises the issue of Genetic blood groups and the type O RH negative,which is linked to type X as Atalante pointed out earlier in Tribes 1. There research adds credibility to the Caucasian race arising from Atlantis. The Berbers,Guanches and Basques seem to have evolved from this bloodgroup and populated SW Europe and NW Africa. Another interesting point they made was the mention of the Guanches on the Canary islands who had no boats when they were discovered and their diet was relatively low in fish!

This definitely implies that they were farmers and lived off the land rather than the Sea. It also implies the breakup of Atlantis where the Guanches were left stranded after the land broke around them,or drifted ashore.

Remember those wacky kings we talked about on the Canaries that were all distraught?

The enlightening point is that this all adds more credibility to my theory of the Continental island of Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean and our before mentioned migration through Zagora Morocco into the Atlantes region of Herodotus.

Combine this with my Basque translation of the word Atlantis, which is not made up whatsoever as you saw in my previous posts of how I arrived at this, and you have quite an intrigueing recipe for Atlantis Continental Island.

The Guanches are the only culture to mummify just like the Egyptians,as well they spoke an ancient Imaghzin language which was known as the lost language of the Pharaohs. Where,as we have seen the migration from Atalantes to Egypt by the Qadan cultures for one,where Thoth may have come from,perhaps. It doesn't take much imagination to see the prefix GUA or GA splattered all over maps of Iberia as testiment to ancient names derived from GUAnche later to intervene with Basque and Berber. The other interesting point is that this rare bloodqroup is also found in Ireland and Scotland,which seems to attest to another possible theory of a sunken culture off the NW coast between Iceland.
Perhaps giving rise to this Bock Saga or Norse Myths as I like to call it.

The PDF article is an excellent read if you have the time.

Another interesting point about the Eleusian mysteries is that being so secretive and learned in the initiate studies which they shared from Egypt poses an interesting question.

Did the Mysteries contain the story of Atlantis?

"But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island."

Sounds like the all the warriors disappeared beneath the sea in a single day and night, not the land itself. Atlantis could have been eroded and been destroyed over time, the last phase of that being the end of the Ice Age, which was in 9000 b.c., just like in the story. We know that when the Ice Age ended, it caused much flooding of areas near the coast, was there a similar event in 900 b.c.? I haven't heard of one.

"In like manner disappeared beneath the sea."

Both Iberia and Morocco were above the sea during Plato's time, and the ancient people knew this. In fact, since the Phoenicians were still active into classical times, they almost certainly knew this. The more recent that researchers place them, say 900, not 9000 b.c, and the more the Atlanteans are placed side by side with the Phoenicians, in the very same lands. There would have been some account, even if the Phoenicians were simply mentioning who they took the lands from. Unless, of course, Carthage is supposed to be Atlantis.

Iberia and Morocco were probably territories of Atlantis, just like in the story. The Phoenicians probably built atop Atlantean ruins, which were old even in their time. We know that you can't date a block of stone, so there is no telling how old that the building blocks in places like Lixus actually are, which has at least three different building styles. They may be Phonician, they may not be, too, I don't think anyone can say for sure. The earliest style is the most impressive, though, just like the earliest pyramids of the Egyptians. In fact, they may even be the work of the same people.

Q...Riven, I support the idea of a continental Atlantis still, but isn't it also at odds with the idea of Atlantis in Iberia or Morocco?

A...Not at all!

Where in Iberia can you find Atlas?

Gadeiros was the second migration to Iberia from Continental Atlantis.

Atlas is partnered with Morocco and Peleponnesia. Ancient Mauretania is quite interesting. Atlas would have been the first migration.

Poseidon,Evanor,Leucippe and Cleito were first.

Then she had babies, tiny little kings.

Akata,thanks for the compliments and your trust. Be careful in Unal, your family is at peace and they await your arrival when time permits. Your brother protects you and he doesn't like to see you get angry. They want you to build a stone monument with a blue crystal in it and their names with yours facing the sunset.

Poseidon =WAD-wr ntr=Great Sea God

Leucippe=white horse Dsr ssmt= clear horse

Evenor=xnty ms-n= foremost born to

Cleito=nsw imAxy= king reverred

Atlas=Dw pt =Mountain Sky

Gadeirus=Evergreen Country Plain

Eumeleus=wr aSA sr= great abundance sheep /or/ Spss aSA sr = wealthy abundant sheep

Ampheres=Htp=rest /or/sqbH= relax

Evaemon =mar Hmt =be fortunate woman

Mneseus=ms-n mSa =born to army

Autochthon=tA ms-n= earth born to

Elassipus=ssmt HqA =horse ruler

Mestor =xdi iAbty=fare northwards eastern

Azaes=xt=fire /or/ ra xt=sun fire (srf=warmth)

Diaprepes=xnty ntr=foremost God /or/Hsi ntr=praise God or wr imaxty ntr=great reverred God
Spsy=dignified
http://hieroglyphs.net/0301/cgi/pager.pl?p=16

These are not the exact translations I would like according to my decipherment of the Kings names in [Tribes of Atlantis I ].

Some words were not available in that dictionary, however,we have a fair idea.

Just to get a feel for how Solon felt.

My ideas come from Critias and Critias alone. If Critias mentioned that Solon translated the names from Egyptian, how is it that this idea also belongs to Georgeos?

Georgeos and Maria are as stupid as the day is long.

First of all, Gadeiros does not mean rich in sheep, Eumeleus does,and they mention this because there were lots of sheep there in Gadeiros which means,from my translations, Evergreen Country Plain .

So we have an evergreen country plain which also was rich in sheep or cattle.

Secondly my translations and theory apply to the entire mediterranean, not just to Spain.

Thirdly,Atlantis was NEVER a peninsula, it was an island in the TRUE OCEAN, not in a bay, not a cape, not a peninsula,not a harbor, but in THE TRUE OCEAN.

I would appreciate if you keep your big fat ass out of my forum you Spanish disgrace.

Georgeos, you are a chicken hearted poor excuse for a man.

Take your dog home and tie her up.

There are enough extortionists around begging for money with the name of Atlantis.

We don't need you or your gypsy extortionists with their deceitful ideas around here that were stolen from other men.

I don't respect nor appreciate anything you or that Spanish galina Georgeos has to say.

Keep your Crap in Spain.

We have important intellectual studies going on here and we don't need your childish responses to distract us.

Keep things polite people besides I don't feel like pulling any more mud out of my hair.
I would also like to add that not only does Maria argue Georgeos' theories here but also with Mr. Graham Hancock, a foremost leader in the Controversial theory department. With that said, just ignore it.
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The history of the cave and of the Islands can be decoded from Ghar Dalam’s stratigraphy. The lowermost layers, more than 500,000 years old, contained the fossil bones of dwarf elephants, hippopotami, micro-mammals and birds. Above the pebble layer that follows, is the so-called ‘deer’ layer, dated to around 18,000 years ago. The top layer, or ‘cultural layer’, dates to less than 10,000 years and holds evidence of the first humans on the Island.

Troezen was first called Oraea after its first king Orus 1. He had a daughter Leis, who consorted with Poseidon and gave birth to a son Althepus. The origin of Orus 1 is unknown, but some have supposed that he was an Egyptian.

During the reign of Althepus, who inherited the kingdom from Orus 1 and renamed it Althepia after himself, Athena and Poseidon disputed about the patronage of this land, but were commanded by Zeus to hold it in common. That is the reason why the Troezenians worshipped both divinities, showing in their coins Poseidon's trident, and Athena's face. But some affirm that, in reality, the Troezenians considered Poseidon to be the patron god of their city.
http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Troezen.html

Doesn't Leis sound quite familiar with C leito and Althepus like Atlas who also was the first son? Note that the descendants of Atlas later ruled Troezen.

dhill757 also mentioned that National Geographic is doing an article this summer on Malta as a lost site for Atlantis.

This can prove to be quite convincing since it also faces the Cape of Gabes\Lake Tritonis and evidence of dwarf elephants there pertain to a missing landmass.

I think either way that Malta should be considered an Atlantean Heritage site along with Crete and Peleponnesia to mention a few.

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The origin of Orus 1 is unknown, but some have supposed that he was an Egyptian. & Doesn't Leis sound quite familiar with C leito and Althepus like Atlas who also was the first son? Note that the descendants of Atlas later ruled Troezen.

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I do NOT place the "burden of proof" on anyone. I simply further information given by one of the older sources of historical information existing; an ancient, oral tradition of knowledge and understanding, most often called "myths, legends and folklore stories". This kind of sources DO exist, - as all ancient scriptures obviously must be based on former oral traditions...

Moreover; there ARE - still - existing tribes and cultures that still recall and retell some (or more) of their ancient stories, legends and myths.

In the most provincial parts of Eurasia, - in the deep woodlands of northern Finland and Carelia, there is still existing older people that still remember their old, oral stories - as told, heared and retold, generation by generation, - in decades, centuries and millenias.

We have reason to believe that all existing cultures originally derived from a common souurce. As we have reason to belive that mankind once started as A couple, and A family.

Neccesarily this FIRST couple of man and mankind - must have been deriving from ONE or TWO former species.

Thus we may all understand that the human being have appeared as a anomaly (or a series of anamolies?!) of a monkey. OR as a cross-breed of a monkey and another specie.

This "other" specie must have been giving us what the monkey couldn`t - like a straigth spine and a high brow. Not to mention the human female`s breasts.

TODAY the old Finnish tradition tells us that our ancestors explained the origin of the human beeing as a cross-breed; "between a monkey and a nanny-goat".

You may DO with this information exactly as you like. But to mock, harras or ignore the statements - WITHOUT investigating the genetical circumstances - based on our most advanced science of biology - is merely presumptious, self-deceptive and contra-scientific. THAT`s my whole point.

If you cant allow youself to give ancient stories it just "day in court" - you simply deprive the whole debate - turning us all into Mullahs of The Political Correctness.

So what`s YOUR reason for refusing to have an objective look into this question, - by furtering the question to our scientifical experts; the geneticians?! And why obstruct any debate that may lead to such an investigation? ... Atalante?!

Perhaps you could explain to me: what facts of DNA or genetics regulate the "crossbreeding" of animals? Why are there so few crossbreeds today?