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docyabut Member |
Sorry guys, I don`nt believe in the alien concept, making us slaves. If it took us 10 million years from mammels, and how many billion before that, What make anyone think evolution was that fast on another planet, with the same elememts. Are we not one of the oldest galaxy in the universe? I do believe these cultures were refering to humans as Gods. My hypothesis is the frist out of Afica migration 840,000 did not died out in Israel, as the fossils suggest, but went into the Mediterranean and out to a land in the Atlantic, buildng a great empire, that is now destroyed.So when the second migration 150,000 years ago came out of Afria and spread into the Middle east, Asia,the frist migration of humans migrated back conquering other cultures and were thought of as Gods.Creationists are now excepting the intelligence design and extraterrestrial theory instead of evolution. however is`nt that what we are, a intelligence that survives? Look how far we came just in the last fifty years. http://www.sitchin.com/index.htm IP: 152.163.205.59 |
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Zia Abbas Member |
Measure, So what is the problem? You agree that Dravida gods were black, however Aryans came later, the first one was Indra. The Aryans destroyed the culture of Dravidians and after that there were no black gods. IP: 217.17.183.10 |
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Brig Member |
You still haven't answered my question "Where did the "whites" come from originally if not up from out of India. I still think you are missing origins. Your arguments come later in history. IP: 64.12.106.34 |
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TheMeasure Member |
~So what is the problem? You agree that Dravida gods were black, however Aryans came later, the first one was Indra. The Aryans destroyed the culture of Dravidians and after that there were no black gods.~ The so-called Aryans assimilated the already existing culture of the so-called Dravidians and lightened-up so-called Dravidian deities so that they would resemble them (as the Greeks did to Kemetic deities). The fact that the happenings described in these so-called Vedic writings and the deities in these tales pre-date the so called Aryan presence is made evident by the facts presented in my prior post. The current light-skinned Indian deities are no more of caucasian origin than the pale-skinned Roman-Greco Isis is of Roman-Greco origin. A region's deities commonly resemble those whom presently rule the land,if the color of the rulers change then the color of the deities change with them.This is common practice when foreigners take over any land. In closing: North Indian deities do not look like Aryans,they look like North Indians. The fact that these deities don't have blond hair and blue eyes (typical aryan features) proves this point to be true. ------------------ Not 1 but 2,not 2 but 3.. [This message has been edited by TheMeasure (edited 07-03-2002).] IP: 209.240.222.130 |
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TheMeasure Member |
~You still haven't answered my question "Where did the "whites" come from originally if not up from out of India.~ Where did the white lab rat come from? ------------------ IP: 209.240.222.130 |
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Zia Abbas Member |
Measure, -Where did the white lab rat come from? Brig, has a question for you, if you think that geography has nothing to do with physical features then, explain from where you think those differences in melanin levels came? IP: 202.179.143.8 |
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Zia Abbas Member |
-The so-called Aryans assimilated the already existing culture of the so-called Dravidians and lightened-up so-called Dravidian deities so that they would resemble them (as the Greeks did to Kemetic deities). Yes, this is right, this proves that the Aryans were whites and they manipulated the pre-existing Dravidian religion and culture. IP: 202.179.145.10 |
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Brig Member |
Zia: Maybe I'm confused. But where did the original whites come from. The old theory that I understood made claim that they migrated up out of India and into the Steppes region, northern climes favored lighter color. LATER, much LATER, they returned as Indra, and all of the other problems assiociated with caucasions. If this theory has been overturned... Then where did these whites originate? Atlantis? Mars? The india theory makes as much sense as the one that says they came out of Africa across where the sea now is (wasn't there or wasn"t as wide). Brown could mutate white faster than black. IP: 64.12.106.37 |
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TheMeasure Member |
~Brig, has a question for you, if you think that geography has nothing to do with physical features then, explain from where you think those differences in melanin levels came?~ Perhaps you've missed my response to such a question in my last post. It should be more than evident that I don't plan on going in to detail on this. ------------------ Not 1 but 2,not 2 but 3.. [This message has been edited by TheMeasure (edited 07-05-2002).] IP: 209.240.222.130 |
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TheMeasure Member |
~Yes, this is right, this proves that the Aryans were whites and they manipulated the pre-existing Dravidian religion and culture.~ No it doesn't. The Word ARYAN is non-existent in the Vedas.AYRA and ARYAN doesn't mean the same thing (We've been through this already).
Not 1 but 2,not 2 but 3.. [This message has been edited by TheMeasure (edited 07-05-2002).] IP: 209.240.222.130 |
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Zia Abbas Member |
So you are convinced that Arya were simply noble people irrespective of race and the term Arya was not specifically for whites? IP: 217.17.183.10 |
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Zia Abbas Member |
Brig: The first people who were anatomically similar to whites of today were the Cro-Magnons who appeared in Europe around 40,000 years ago. The origin of Cro-Magnons is still unknown but they were the first whites. IP: 217.17.183.11 |
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Brig Member |
Zia: Now we are getting somewhere. If Cro-Magnon were white and no one knows where they came from, it musta been spontanious conception. Seriously, though, Cro-Magnon were first on the coasts of Spain and France. Their oldest remains are on the western seacoasts. Now we know they had to come from somewhere; we don't suddenly get this tall, light colored, big brained person, from some weird mutation. According to my sources, Cro-Magnon had a greater brain capacity than Homo-Sapien Sapien on average. So if Cro-Magnon is first found on the western seacoasts he must not have originated in India. IP: 64.12.105.54 |
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Brig Member |
So, If he didn't originate in India; and he was probably 30,000 years too soon, to be from Atlantis, then we have a real enigma, don't we? A highly advanced type man (for the time) and no idea where he came from? Really shows how darned little we actually know about early man, doesn't it? IP: 64.12.105.54 |
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Zia Abbas Member |
Well yes this is an enigma. Recent studies show that first "modern humans" appeared around 100,000 years ago in Middle East and Africa, latter they migrated to all over Europe, Africa and Asia. These early people who are called neanderthals had larger brains than we have today, generally they were bigger than us. Around 40,000 years ago another species of humans appear in Europe called the Cro-Magnons(Homo Sapiens Sapiens) i.e. us. The trouble is our brain size in smaller than Neanderthals also we are comparatively smaller than Neanderthals. This is an enigma that from where a new species of humans(us) appeared around 40,000 years ago, what is most interesting is that around the same time we the modern humans appeared the old ones(neanderthals) ceased to exist! Was there a genocide of Neanderthals by Cro Magnons? IP: 217.17.183.10 |
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Brig Member |
I doubt that genocide occurred. But who knows? Later Neanderthals did pick up a few Cro-magnon habits so coexistance must be considered. Seems unlikely cross breeding occured, though the jury is still out on that as well. If Cro-magnon appeared suddenly, I suppose its possible he imigrated from Atlantis, before Atlantis had developed an advanced culture. IP: 152.163.206.204 |
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Zia Abbas Member |
Yes but the next question is from where they came to Atlantis? IP: 202.179.143.8 |
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Brig Member |
Zia: Exactly! As all humans are the same, under their skin, we all had a common ancestor. By the way, I'm just throwing this out. Whom did Cain (of the Bible) marry?) It says he went into the land of Nod. If Adams people were the first (at lest with a soul) who lived in Nod? Do we have a reference here to some other species? (Neanderthal perhaps.) Still it is a mystery where caucasians came from. I know where a lot of people SAY they came from, but they're just letting old resentments loose. IP: 64.12.105.32 |
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Zia Abbas Member |
These are the most important issues. We still don't know about the origin of our species. From where the wives of Adam's sons came from? Probably we the human beings just dont want to know we enjoy the ignorance, like it is said ignorance is bliss! IP: 202.179.143.8 |
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Brig Member |
Zia: Is ignorance bless? or just a coverup for somebodies failed theories. Back to the Atlantis question. I'm afraid we have degressed. Location, location, location. I wish somebody would get serious about these sunken cities. Whoever built them, it should be fasinating. IP: 64.12.107.166 |
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Zia Abbas Member |
"Ignorance is bliss" for many people, many people whom I send the solution of mysteries reply to me, "It is boring when a mystery is solved." Maybe many people just like to enjoy searching for the unknown and when the unknown becomes known they loose interest. IP: 202.179.143.8 |
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TheMeasure Member |
~So you are convinced that Arya were simply noble people irrespective of race and the term Arya was not specifically for whites?~ The Sanskrit term ARYA is not a referrence to the so-called White-race. ------------------ IP: 209.240.222.130 |
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TheMeasure Member |
Zia, There is no evidence suggesting that Cro-magnon originated in Europe. The evidence presents a trail which starts in Africa and ends in Europe (migration).It was in Europe that Cro-Magnons first encountered co-existence with Neanderthals (who were already there for thousands of years). Also: Cro-Magnons weren't White. ------------------ IP: 209.240.222.130 |
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Zia Abbas Member |
Measure, 1. Your scientific knowledge is really poor. Just do a search on the web on 'Cro Magnon' and you will see that they first appeared in Europe around 40,000 years ago. Also anatomically they were exactly like the Europeans of Today. As I have already told you there are anatomical differences in all races of humans, so by looking at the anatomy of Cro-Magnons it has been established that they were white. 2. Can you name any black Arya(Brahmin) even today? IP: 202.179.145.10 |
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TheMeasure Member |
~1. Your scientific knowledge is really poor. Just do a search on the web on 'Cro Magnon' and you will see that they first appeared in Europe around 40,000 years ago.~ The common so-called scientific position is that Homo sapian sapian (or cro-magnon) migrated out of Africa,to the middle East,to Europe (THE OUT OF AFRICA POSITION).This is no doubt due to the fact that they suddenly appeared in France and Israel and encountered Neantherthals who already lived in these areas.The oldest fossil evidence of modern man was found in Africa not Europe,it dates at 130,000 years old.Mitochondrial evidence also proves that modern man migrated from Africa. This is why the current scientific position it that MODERN MAN migrated out of Africa into the middle east,and then to Europe. ~ Also anatomically they were exactly like the Europeans of Today. As I have already told you there are anatomical differences in all races of humans, so by looking at the anatomy of Cro-Magnons it has been established that they were white.~ Oh? Also: Because one possess so-called Causcasican features does'nt mean that they're White.. Dravidians aren't white,North and East Africans aren't White,African americans aren't white (we've ben through this already). ~2. Can you name any black Arya(Brahmin) even today?~ Vishnu,Krishna,Kali Amman,Karrupan, Vali Amman,and Parvati were BLACK. also: The Sanskrit term ARYA is not synonymous with the term BRAHMIN. ------------------ IP: 209.240.222.130 |
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cgd160 Member |
So it appears that all humans were originally dark skinned and out of Africa. Dravidians-Original Caucazoids Bush Peoples of Africa-Original Mongoloids Africans (as we now refer to them)-Original Negroids (still the purest humans) ------------------ Chris IP: 24.188.190.26 |
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rajesh Member |
Advent and rise of Cro_magnyon man around 40000 years ago may be a puzzle, but I feel due consideration shall be given to the ancient presence of four types of sacred people e.g. Manavas, Yakchas, Gandharvas and Kinnaras in the Himalayan region around Mount Kailash (Sumeru), from Tibet to north of river Ganga. In all it's probability these Manavas were the so called white people, Yakchas were the so called red people, Gandharvas were the yellow people and Kinnaras were the Australoid people. Rightly or wrongly these people could have been created out of the same existing human group, either by natural selection or may be by some genetic manipulation to fulfil the different types of tasks with optimum efficiency. The Danavas (Rebel materialistic group among Manavas) had to leave for Europe as they could not meet the expectations of the Devas. The ice and temperature conditions around Himalayas were similar to ice age Europe, so white Danavas could easily settle there. Their color code could have facilitated them in the cold europian climates. These may be the people, we know as Cro Magnyons. Manavas were mainly for the spiritual, religious purposes. Yakchas (Red) were the warriors, Guards of the Devas, Administrators and the Kings. They occupied India, Cambodia, Laos and Indonesia at that time. Incidently they can still be clearly identified as Dravidians and the Red Indians. Gandharvas (Yellow) people were basically for trades and like the nature of trade they got spread everywhere. The Australoids were basically the master craftmen, and they got marginalised with the fall of ancient civilizations. That is why all Devas belong to the same stock but with the different color variants. Ram, Krishna, Vishnu are Indigo Black. Their respective brothers Laxman, Balram and Indra are white. Kubera, Varuna and Maruti are red. Brahma is white. Shiva is white blue, Sati is white, Parvati and Kali are black. So color is only skin deep and Arya was a good virtue and not any race. IP: 210.214.154.114 |
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docyabut Member |
Hello In understanding evolution and it took me along time , homo sapians migrated out of Africa many times, and came back mixing with other homo sapians, because in the resent DNA study, older gene signature had not been wiped out.In a study of a Neanderthal bone that yieled DNA, Neanderthals diverged about 600,000 years ago from the line that eventually become homo sapians and died off,Just as they are now discovering that various species of hominids that died off.So far Lucy 3.5 million was thought, as a line of homo sapians, however in the findings of the Oreine man,6 million and the recent find of of bones of 7 million years old with teeth just like ours, indicate that Lucy was a branch that also died off. IP: 205.188.196.32 |
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docyabut Member |
What is amazing is these creatures that they are now discovering, that walked straight up were from a environment of forestey, and not of the Savanna theory ,suggesting man learned to walk in the trees. IP: 205.188.196.32 |
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docyabut Member |
It would also suggest that Co-magon and the Neantherals melanin were white, from less ultraviolet rays. IP: 205.188.196.32 |
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Brig Member |
The only real point of discussing a peoples color is to use it as a tracer in determining migrations and movements. Whether you like it or not, skin color is basically determined by exposure to the sun and general air temperatures. These changes in melannin levels took a long time to take place. I know of no other theory (other than the half-baked one about aliens) that can explain the different skin colors. While we are on the subject, I suppose a chance mutation is possible. Did you know that there are blue people in the back hills of Kentucky USA. There was an article about them a few years ago in either Science Digest or Discover. They are perfectly healthy, but due to a gene in the blood, they are a pale blue color. They generally stay to themselves because of the "gawkers". They trace the problem back to one woman, a great grandmother, who immigrated here from France who carried the varient gene, which became, for whatever reason, dominant there. IP: 152.163.188.69 |
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TheMeasure Member |
~The only real point of discussing a peoples color is to use it as a tracer in determining migrations and movements.~ Oh? ~Whether you like it or not, skin color is basically determined by exposure to the sun and general air temperatures.~ The above is a factless statement. ~These changes in melannin levels took a long time to take place.~ How long? ~I know of no other theory (other than the half-baked one about aliens) that can explain the different skin colors.~ So this means it must be true. ------------------ IP: 209.240.222.130 |
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TheMeasure Member |
~The only answer is Martians came down and interbred With groups of caucasions that had migrated north to Europe. Hence the abnormal biorythm, light eyes, hair and skin of Europeans.~ And what qualifies this as the only answer? ------------------ IP: 209.240.222.130 |
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RAmoses Member |
hi all, i would like to propose a theory on ATLANTIS' location. 1. edgar casey said atlantis fell or sunk in 10,500 BC and that the key to atlantis would be found in EGYPT. 2. it is theorized that the giza plateau is an astronomical marker for 10,500 BC. it is a physical representation of "heaven, ON EARTH", during the AGE of LEO. 3. the atlantis legend said that people of ALL races lived in harmony. it is also said that the people of atlantis were "sun-worshippers". 4. atlantis lies beyond the "pillars of hercules", there is also a "pillars of hercules" outside of GREECE, pointing toward EGYPT. 5. one proposal is that the greek word translated "larger than" could also mean "in between". 6. the legend was told by SOL-ON, from EGYPT. 7. the great pyramid is at the geographical center of all the land masses on earth. 8. if you look at a globe, you will see a minature scale model of the earth will 3 rings around it. the celestial equator, the ecliptic, and i don't know what the other ring represents. 9. could the capital of ATLANTIS lie beyond the greek "pillars of hercules" and "in between" LIBYA and ASIA(minor?)? 10. did EGYPT build a physical minature representation of the "heavenly kingdom" ON EARTH. if we dug beneath he sands could we find 3 circular walls representing the 3 rings? 11. could the legend about atlantis "sinking beneath the sea" only refer to the end of the ice age, around 10,500 BC, and the sea levels rising and "breaking up" atlantis. could atlantis have been the whole earth, ruled by EGYPT? 12. could the "law of one" god refer to their knowledge of the "precession of the equnoxes", and atlantis was a vast SOLAR empire? 13. could the "hall of records" be the narrow band of the ecliptic and the path of the SUN. could the sphinx point to the "hall of reconds" IN HEAVEN. could there be a physical representation of this ON EARTH, below the sphinx. is the "wisdom of the AGES" written there also? AS ABOVE, SO BELOW. AMEN. just a thought. IP: 12.65.36.129 |
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Tom Hebert Member |
Hi Ramoses, Interesting idea, but we have a problem here. You cite Cayce as a reference to bolster your theory, but Cayce himself said that Atlantis was located in the Atlantic-Caribbean area. Here's the exact quote: quote: So you've got to make up your mind. Does Cayce have any credibility or not? Tom IP: 209.244.82.241 |
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Brig Member |
OK Measure YOU tell us how so many skin colors came about all the way from Ebony to pale white. IP: 205.188.208.136 |
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Brig Member |
And Measure if you're trying to say that skin color came about by alien intervention than I'll say thats really streeeeeeeeeeetching it a bit too far. IP: 205.188.208.136 |
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Brig Member |
And another thing Measure: Maybe you are not aware of it but under their hair some semions are white and some are black. So how do you know early man was black? And another point: Have you read Creamos and Thompsons "Forbidden Archeology". According to these two scientists Modern man dates back and awful lot further than modern scientists generally admit. They give time, place, details on finds that are so utterly contradictory to todays general line of thought that rather than rewrite history the evidence was swept under a rug and ignored. Its a good read, but not for the narrow minded. IP: 205.188.208.136 |
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Brig Member |
And finally: Ask any forensics expert and they will tell you that skeletal remains are characteristic enough to establish whether a person was black, white, or asian. Believe it or not. IP: 205.188.208.136 |
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rajesh Member |
Respected RAmoses: If Atlantis was centered at Egypt and engulfing the whole world, then how can it be possible that Egyptian priest and Solon during their discussions refer to the Atlanteans as third persons and as somewhat unknown outsiders. This may be an indicator that neither Egypt nor Greece were Atlantis. Also the earlier Egyptians themselves considered their own ancestors (at least their royal families and the priests) arriving from a sacred sunken island nation they called as "PANT". In that way PANT can be one of the names of the original Atlantis. If still Egypt has to be Atlantis, then Atlanteans had to be sunken twice in two different oceans. IP: 210.214.154.174 |
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